Long slow rebuild = 2016 draft.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The 2016 draft. That's what you need to look forward to. This year will be a total waste, because this year the Rondos and the Jeff Greens will keep us juuusstt competitive enough that we'll be in line for like the 8th pick. So obviously we won't win a draft lottery (you can bet your wazoo on that) and then we'll get the 8th pick and like the 26th, only that won't come even close to replacing the outgoing talent....Rondo. So we'll be even more horrid the next year and be in line for like the 6th pick again only we will also get the Brooklyn pick, which will be like #4 and we will FINALLY .....START...to dig out. Without Rondo no free agents are even looking at our snowy town with high taxes.

I hope you like rebuilds and youth and the draft because that's what we have to look forward to now. Welcome to NBA draft Purgatory. The Hawks just welcomed us at the door.

Have you already forgotten that we have multiple first round picks and young assets (and that includes Smart and Young) we can flip to land a star or maybe two?

It's not even July yet. We dont know what's going to happen, but we do know we have enough gunpowder to make some fireworks. And who knows, maybe Smart and Young pans out with Rondo and we now have a core moving forward. How about be patient first and see what happens?

Gunpowder?   Are you serious?   We literally just saw we didn't have enough "gunpowder" to do anything significant.   If we did we would have Kevin Love and not two redundant point guards and an 18 year old that's useless for the next 4 years.

Is the trade deadline over? Just because we did not get Love on draft night doesnt mean we cant by February.

There are so many factors that could sway Minny.

Also, and I think I see where this thread is going. We're basically calling it done because we didnt get Kevin Love. Hey, there are other players we can get. We can sign and trade with the Knicks with the assets we have to sign Melo. Heck, Chris Bosh has opted out, he's a star. GSW wants to unload David Lee's contract, we can use what we have to acquire him. Greg Monroe, Gordon Hayward,  Pau Gasol. It may be a longshot but we may have assets to trade for Al Horford.

There are so many ways we can go, Kevin Love is not the be all - end all fix. Having future picks, young guys (better if they develop) helps us. There's a ton of time to figure everything out.

Jesus, just because we didnt have a deal by draft night doesnt mean we wont have the chance to get some again.

I agree but I think the reality is nobody is calling us offering us anything all that great for all these assets we have.
Maybe once our rookies get seen doing well we will see what happens, but as we sit here today we are at the edge of a very long rebuild.

Agree there, but its too early. The important thing is we have assets. There will be oh so many factors that can change the way we approach the future. But at least we are ready for whatever shows up. That's all I'm saying I guess. Too early to tell if we are headed to mediocrity or not. Christ, we havent even went to Free Agency yet.

[Eja117]

We aren't tanking. We're just a bad team now.

[Eja117]

The 2016 draft. That's what you need to look forward to. This year will be a total waste, because this year the Rondos and the Jeff Greens will keep us juuusstt competitive enough that we'll be in line for like the 8th pick. So obviously we won't win a draft lottery (you can bet your wazoo on that) and then we'll get the 8th pick and like the 26th, only that won't come even close to replacing the outgoing talent....Rondo. So we'll be even more horrid the next year and be in line for like the 6th pick again only we will also get the Brooklyn pick, which will be like #4 and we will FINALLY .....START...to dig out. Without Rondo no free agents are even looking at our snowy town with high taxes.

I hope you like rebuilds and youth and the draft because that's what we have to look forward to now. Welcome to NBA draft Purgatory. The Hawks just welcomed us at the door.

Have you already forgotten that we have multiple first round picks and young assets (and that includes Smart and Young) we can flip to land a star or maybe two?

It's not even July yet. We dont know what's going to happen, but we do know we have enough gunpowder to make some fireworks. And who knows, maybe Smart and Young pans out with Rondo and we now have a core moving forward. How about be patient first and see what happens?

Gunpowder?   Are you serious?   We literally just saw we didn't have enough "gunpowder" to do anything significant.   If we did we would have Kevin Love and not two redundant point guards and an 18 year old that's useless for the next 4 years.

Is the trade deadline over? Just because we did not get Love on draft night doesnt mean we cant by February.

There are so many factors that could sway Minny.

Also, and I think I see where this thread is going. We're basically calling it done because we didnt get Kevin Love. Hey, there are other players we can get. We can sign and trade with the Knicks with the assets we have to sign Melo. Heck, Chris Bosh has opted out, he's a star. GSW wants to unload David Lee's contract, we can use what we have to acquire him. Greg Monroe, Gordon Hayward,  Pau Gasol. It may be a longshot but we may have assets to trade for Al Horford.

There are so many ways we can go, Kevin Love is not the be all - end all fix. Having future picks, young guys (better if they develop) helps us. There's a ton of time to figure everything out.

Jesus, just because we didnt have a deal by draft night doesnt mean we wont have the chance to get some again.

I agree but I think the reality is nobody is calling us offering us anything all that great for all these assets we have.
Maybe once our rookies get seen doing well we will see what happens, but as we sit here today we are at the edge of a very long rebuild.

Agree there, but its too early. The important thing is we have assets. There will be oh so many factors that can change the way we approach the future. But at least we are ready for whatever shows up. That's all I'm saying I guess. Too early to tell if we are headed to mediocrity or not. Christ, we havent even went to Free Agency yet.

Ok. So we have assets. Not lots of them or great ones, but we have them. Some of our assets nobody wants (Bass, Green), some of them nobody wants to give fair value for (Rondo). Some of them are totally unproven or still haven't impressed other teams (Sully, KO, Smart, Young).

But we do have them.  Lots of team have assets. Our GM is one of our better assets. But his job is pretty difficult right about now.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

The 2016 draft. That's what you need to look forward to. This year will be a total waste, because this year the Rondos and the Jeff Greens will keep us juuusstt competitive enough that we'll be in line for like the 8th pick. So obviously we won't win a draft lottery (you can bet your wazoo on that) and then we'll get the 8th pick and like the 26th, only that won't come even close to replacing the outgoing talent....Rondo. So we'll be even more horrid the next year and be in line for like the 6th pick again only we will also get the Brooklyn pick, which will be like #4 and we will FINALLY .....START...to dig out. Without Rondo no free agents are even looking at our snowy town with high taxes.

I hope you like rebuilds and youth and the draft because that's what we have to look forward to now. Welcome to NBA draft Purgatory. The Hawks just welcomed us at the door.

Have you already forgotten that we have multiple first round picks and young assets (and that includes Smart and Young) we can flip to land a star or maybe two?

It's not even July yet. We dont know what's going to happen, but we do know we have enough gunpowder to make some fireworks. And who knows, maybe Smart and Young pans out with Rondo and we now have a core moving forward. How about be patient first and see what happens?

Gunpowder?   Are you serious?   We literally just saw we didn't have enough "gunpowder" to do anything significant.   If we did we would have Kevin Love and not two redundant point guards and an 18 year old that's useless for the next 4 years.

Is the trade deadline over? Just because we did not get Love on draft night doesnt mean we cant by February.

There are so many factors that could sway Minny.

Also, and I think I see where this thread is going. We're basically calling it done because we didnt get Kevin Love. Hey, there are other players we can get. We can sign and trade with the Knicks with the assets we have to sign Melo. Heck, Chris Bosh has opted out, he's a star. GSW wants to unload David Lee's contract, we can use what we have to acquire him. Greg Monroe, Gordon Hayward,  Pau Gasol. It may be a longshot but we may have assets to trade for Al Horford.

There are so many ways we can go, Kevin Love is not the be all - end all fix. Having future picks, young guys (better if they develop) helps us. There's a ton of time to figure everything out.

Jesus, just because we didnt have a deal by draft night doesnt mean we wont have the chance to get some again.

I agree but I think the reality is nobody is calling us offering us anything all that great for all these assets we have.
Maybe once our rookies get seen doing well we will see what happens, but as we sit here today we are at the edge of a very long rebuild.

Agree there, but its too early. The important thing is we have assets. There will be oh so many factors that can change the way we approach the future. But at least we are ready for whatever shows up. That's all I'm saying I guess. Too early to tell if we are headed to mediocrity or not. Christ, we havent even went to Free Agency yet.

Ok. So we have assets. Not lots of them or great ones, but we have them. Some of our assets nobody wants (Bass, Green), some of them nobody wants to give fair value for (Rondo). Some of them are totally unproven or still haven't impressed other teams (Sully, KO, Smart, Young).

But we do have them.  Lots of team have assets. Our GM is one of our better assets. But his job is pretty difficult right about now.

Bass in an expiring, he's going to be an enticing trade chip. I agree that the young studs still haven't impressed. But hey, they are going to play right, they may play well and earn some trade value.

And Jeff Green. 16 PPG, good defender, I think Danny can sell him good.

Again, the important thing is we have assets, plenty of it. Whatever the new season gives us, we'll have some spending chips.

[freshinthehouse]

NBA Purgatory is a long hard climb.

This true.  If you don't have a top 20 all-time player winning championships is nearly impossible.

Look at the history of the NBA.  Almost all the titles were won by teams that had a top 3 player of his era in his prime.  It's pretty incredible we were able to sneak in that one championship that we had (though you could argue that KG was one of the top 3 or so in the league in 07-08).  You've got to hope you can get lucky and score a transcendent talent in the draft, or hope you have a GM that can trade for one when the opportunity presents itself, as well accumulate enough secondary talent to make the star want to play there.

[thehumburger]

This is what happens when things don't break your way. When your star turns down an extension. When you lose the coin flip with Utah. When you move down in the lottery. When the draft itself doesn't go your way.

This is where you end up.  In NBA Purgatory.

Luckily we have a GM that is above average and does things like trading guys at the end of their rope to reallllyy dumb teams for a bunch of picks, but still.

NBA Purgatory is a long hard climb.

NBA Purgatory is when you've made moves that don't pan out and you're stuck with longer-term salary and limited options to get better (see Minnesota, Detroit, where Brooklyn will be the next couple years, where Boston would have been if they hadn't traded KG and PP.) The C's are far from that. They're still in the process of shedding salary and collecting assets, so they'll have a lot of flexibility in the next couple years. It's not as fun as watching championship teams, but it is the nature of rebuilding. You can't expect a 1-year turnaround and to be competitive again just like that. If there's no major move to be had, you have to hope that DA continues to make the right incremental moves and that some of the young players start to develop into real assets. Rebuilding is undoubtedly a climb, but it's far from NBA Purgatory.