Author Topic: If the Celtics could realistically trade for a 'go' to scorer, who would it be?  (Read 9420 times)

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Offline staticcc

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It is telling, though, that Carmelo and LeBron were the league's best players when it came to last second, broken down offense scoring -- which is where a majority of those isolation plays come from, since the Knicks O was totally dysfunctional this year.




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Now, this is an inherently noisy stat, for a few reasons. For one, better offenses will avoid these kinds of shots, so bad units will have more "opportunities" to hit them. That's why our chart of the top 100 players is loaded with Bulls and Bucks. It also doesn't quite capture everything bad about an offense that is inept at creating shots, because turnovers end a possession before it can get into a late-clock situation, and we decided to not factor in 24-second violation TOVs, because there's too much overlap with shots that go up, but don't hit iron.
http://regressing.deadspin.com/which-nba-players-are-best-late-in-the-shot-clock-1563759412

You may be reading the chart wrong. Courtney Lee and Deron Williams are the best in terms of PPP; LBJ and Melo just lead in terms of the number of broken down plays.
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Offline Boston Garden Leprechaun

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You guys are foolish not to consider Kelly Olynyk. He's just getting warmed up, and could average 20 ppg this season quite easily. Once he got named to the All Star Weekend festivities he was the same confident player who dominated Summer League and college basketball, and he's only going to get stronger, and better.

I am not seeing it.  He is a decent player with potential to be good but 20PPG is laughable.

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Offline nzea

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I imagine that player would be a sg. I am happy to keep Green to go along with Rondo, Love, and Asik (this seems like a foregone conclusion). It really depends on what we would be willing to give up. Somebody like Eric Gordon could be had for very little and still may have the potential to be a player who can lead the offense.

If we are looking at players like Thompson, Hayward, DeRozan, or Beal, there would most likely be a much higher price tag.

I think Klay Thompson is very overrated by GSW. Yes he has improved his ball handling, and passing, but Thompson still ranked below averaged in finishing... He is basically just what he is advertisted. A good guard that can shoot. Klay doesn't have the abilities to separate him from most shooting guards... Bradley Beal is a perfect example of what a great shooter/finisher/closer you need. Klay isn't that unfortunately.

I think Eric Gordon would be a great choice too. I know people aren't pleased with him due to his injuries, but I think he can possibly bounce back. Plus with an excellent passing point guard, it will be easier for Gordon to be able to score more. I think Wallace, + two second round picks may possibly do it.

Beal is not a finisher.

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It is telling, though, that Carmelo and LeBron were the league's best players when it came to last second, broken down offense scoring -- which is where a majority of those isolation plays come from, since the Knicks O was totally dysfunctional this year.




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Now, this is an inherently noisy stat, for a few reasons. For one, better offenses will avoid these kinds of shots, so bad units will have more "opportunities" to hit them. That's why our chart of the top 100 players is loaded with Bulls and Bucks. It also doesn't quite capture everything bad about an offense that is inept at creating shots, because turnovers end a possession before it can get into a late-clock situation, and we decided to not factor in 24-second violation TOVs, because there's too much overlap with shots that go up, but don't hit iron.
http://regressing.deadspin.com/which-nba-players-are-best-late-in-the-shot-clock-1563759412

You may be reading the chart wrong. Courtney Lee and Deron Williams are the best in terms of PPP; LBJ and Melo just lead in terms of the number of broken down plays.
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Good attempt at trolling, though.  For anyone that might think there's something to what static's saying (other than willfully ignoring what the chart would seem to reveal re: Love, LeBron, and Melo -- that sounds like a sitcom.):


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Courtney Lee is interesting, because he's such a high outlier for efficiency here. The Grizzlies overall are about average for these possessions, but Zach Randoph is way down at 0.61 points per possession, and takes up a good amount of the Grizzlies' plays. Once the ball finds its way out of the post on late shots, the Grizzlies aren't exactly well-oiled, but it's a controlled sort of chaos that can often get Lee an open shot along the perimeter. Or maybe Lee's just really good at this. He put up excellent marks in a limited number of these plays in Boston.

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This is some of the more compelling evidence of just how put-upon Melo has been in New York. He's taken the second-most attempts overall (321), and no player except LeBron has taken such a large share of team's attempts (30.5 percent). He's been so good at this, and so prolific, that the Knicks' offense in late-clock situations is only 9.1 points per 100 possession worse than its overall halfcourt offense. Their late-clock efficiency (84.1 points per possession) is the third-best mark in the league.

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LeBron is absurd in a lot of ways, but this is ridiculous. The Heat have played at a slower pace each of the past three years, and this year they're taking late-clock shots on 13.7 percent of their possessions, the fourth-highest share in the league, behind Memphis, Chicago, and Utah. This is not good; late shots are inherently less efficient shots. So how is Miami still the second-most efficient offense in the league, overall? LeBron, basically.

Of the Heat's massive number of late-clock plays, LeBron is responsible for 31.2 percent of them. This is the highest percentage of any team's late-clock possessions for a single player. And not only that, at 0.93 points per possession, he's miles ahead of the league average of 0.78 points per possession. Among players with at least 100 of these possessions, he's 12th in efficiency, and he's taken 347. Put another way: LeBron is more efficient with less than four seconds on the clock than Paul George and Tim Duncan (both right around 0.92) are in the halfcourt.

At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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The premise of this thread seems to be that Love is not a go-to scorer, which just strikes me as odd. Love is about as go-to as any scorer out there. There just aren't many guys who are automatic from 3 who also stand 6'10. Down the stretch, when you need a big shot, run the pick and pop with Rondo and Love. Or run horns with KO and Love spacing the floor, that's going to open up a lot of space for dribble penetration.

I think most people think of a go-to scorer as a guy who you can just put the ball in his hands and let him score.  A significantly higher percentage of his shots are assisted compared to other guys who have similar PPGs.  Kevin Love is not an iso-ball scorer at all.  You are not going to have a Kevin Love end-of-game iso.

Not sure if this was brought up earlier, but...

Kevin Love was assisted on 54% of his baskets in his career so far.

Carmelo was assisted on 47% but was assisted on 52% in Denver..something like 30% in NY..this is why I feel like Carmelo has been pretty underrated in NY btw..the guy knows how to play team ball. NY has taken that away from him.

Durant was assisted on 48%.

Lebron was assisted on 36%.

Pierce was assisted on 44% throughout his career.

Kobe was at 35%.

Food for thought..Love is definitely higher than the rest, but I think he can get his own shot decently enough.

Great stat.