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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2014, 09:32:14 AM »

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ESPN doesn't seem to have a way to see the RPM of all the players on the team on a single page, but if you like the stat, it looks like Avery Bradley (2.00), Jared Sullinger (1/33), and Gerald Wallace (0.38) were the only Celtics players with a positive number.

A metric that says that Bradley was the team's best player passes the smell test for me, but I am sure there are people who will scoff at a stat that has Bradley and Wallace as two of the top three on the team.

RPM also says that Andre Iguodala is better than Kevin Durant, and has Channing Frye and Nick Collison as top-8 players.

It's not a great system for a straight ranking of players.

Agreed.  But it should give us a sense of which players on a team help the team perform better compared to others, right?
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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2014, 10:41:17 AM »

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ESPN doesn't seem to have a way to see the RPM of all the players on the team on a single page, but if you like the stat, it looks like Avery Bradley (2.00), Jared Sullinger (1/33), and Gerald Wallace (0.38) were the only Celtics players with a positive number.

A metric that says that Bradley was the team's best player passes the smell test for me, but I am sure there are people who will scoff at a stat that has Bradley and Wallace as two of the top three on the team.

RPM also says that Andre Iguodala is better than Kevin Durant, and has Channing Frye and Nick Collison as top-8 players.

It's not a great system for a straight ranking of players.

Agreed.  But it should give us a sense of which players on a team help the team perform better compared to others, right?

  To some extent, but only under certain circumstances. Consider that from the list above two of our top 3 players in RPM were Bradley and Wallace. Why was that? One big factor was the uneven play of the team this year. We started out 12-14 and then finished the season 13-43. Both Bradley and Wallace played all of the games when we were in our 12-14 stretch and missed large stretches of games during our lottery run. That's going to have a significant impact on things.

  There's a big tendency here (and other such sites) to basically say "we have data, therefore we can draw meaningful conclusions". It's why people were projecting Rondo's post injury effectiveness after 5-6 games back from a serious injury or a thread about whether or not Jordan Crawford should be our point guard going forward because he may have "turned the corner" after he was player of the week.

Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2014, 10:43:14 AM »

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ESPN doesn't seem to have a way to see the RPM of all the players on the team on a single page, but if you like the stat, it looks like Avery Bradley (2.00), Jared Sullinger (1/33), and Gerald Wallace (0.38) were the only Celtics players with a positive number.

A metric that says that Bradley was the team's best player passes the smell test for me, but I am sure there are people who will scoff at a stat that has Bradley and Wallace as two of the top three on the team.

RPM also says that Andre Iguodala is better than Kevin Durant, and has Channing Frye and Nick Collison as top-8 players.

It's not a great system for a straight ranking of players.

Agreed.  But it should give us a sense of which players on a team help the team perform better compared to others, right?

As far as I can tell, it is sensitive to how good the other players are on the team that you often replace.  Nick Collison has a high RPM because Kendrick Perkins is abysmal.

I like most advanced metrics more as a way to identify players who might be over- or under-valued rather than an absolute measure of ability.  I've always thought Channing Frye was an underrated player.

More RPM fun, Bradley, Rondo, and Olynyk seem to be the only Celtics with a positive ORPM.
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Re: Jeff Green, Celtics MVP
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2014, 02:45:12 PM »

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Most of the advanced +/- metrics are kind of "meh". RPM is a modified xRAPM, which is pretty much RAPM but with the incorporation of box scores. And RAPM is an improved APM, which is mostly disregarded at this point.

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