Wyc prefers to keep Rondo, tells Danny to set price high

[pokeKingCurtis]

I don't think Danny cares what Wyc really thinks.

  Have you ever had a job?

maybe i have a job maybe i don't. It has nothing to do with this thread

Whats next, you going to ask me if i have a dog?

  True, it just adds a little perspective to your clao, that Danny doesn't really care what the guy who signs his paychecks thinks. It's not like Danny can just walk into Wyc's office and say "I just traded Rondo for xyz", he'd have to get Wyc's approval to even make the deal.

  FYI, I have 2 dogs.

Last time i checked Wyc is an owner. Some owners don't know jack about basketball. Wyc should sign off on trades and trust Danny is doing his job properly.

But to you Tim, micromanaging works better.

  You must lose a lot of sleep worrying about all those people who just don't see why we need to get rid of Rondo ASAP. Yep, that's micromanaging. Most owners let their GMs work in peace and don't find out that their superstars were traded until they read about it in the paper. Because of all that trust.

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

Danny traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen in 2007-2008. Did Wyc have much time to approve the trade?

There is no truth that Wyc told Danny to set the price high for Rondo.  He won't even know what is really considered high or low for Rondo. Like us fans don't really know. Danny knows best

  Honestly I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Thats your opinion. I think you are too Rondo crazy to think objectively.

  Is that the same thing you thought about poster after poster who were disagreeing with almost everything you said in your "I like the team better without Rondo" thread?

Some posters agreed with me. Alot don't. I don't really care to be honest.

Imo we are going to better team without Rondo being in charge.  I'm already dreading at the tought of Dragic running circles around Rondo tonight

That's your opinion.

However, just because your opinion is different from mine doesn't mean you're too "anti-Rondo-crazy" to be objective.

And even if I think that, being tolerant of other people's views is, I think, much more conductive to conversation.

[Mr October]

I don't think Danny cares what Wyc really thinks.

  Have you ever had a job?

maybe i have a job maybe i don't. It has nothing to do with this thread

Whats next, you going to ask me if i have a dog?

  True, it just adds a little perspective to your clao, that Danny doesn't really care what the guy who signs his paychecks thinks. It's not like Danny can just walk into Wyc's office and say "I just traded Rondo for xyz", he'd have to get Wyc's approval to even make the deal.

  FYI, I have 2 dogs.

Last time i checked Wyc is an owner. Some owners don't know jack about basketball. Wyc should sign off on trades and trust Danny is doing his job properly.

But to you Tim, micromanaging works better.

  You must lose a lot of sleep worrying about all those people who just don't see why we need to get rid of Rondo ASAP. Yep, that's micromanaging. Most owners let their GMs work in peace and don't find out that their superstars were traded until they read about it in the paper. Because of all that trust.

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

Danny traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen in 2007-2008. Did Wyc have much time to approve the trade?

There is no truth that Wyc told Danny to set the price high for Rondo.  He won't even know what is really considered high or low for Rondo. Like us fans don't really know. Danny knows best

Are you implying that you know for a fact that Wyc didn't approve hiring Stevens and trading a 5th pick for Allen?

i'm not implying that. But Tim thinks Wyc is the ultimate GM of the org , when that job belongs to Danny

The perfect example was trading the 5th for Ray Allen. I mean honestly how much time do you really have to make this trade happen??  Does Wyc need to think about it in detail first?

Owners definitely have a say in terms of how much money can be offered to a player (especially max), if they are willing to pay the luxury tax, but not setting high standards in terms of getting returns back. They likely don't even know what is considered being overpaid or not

  Again, I think you're making this up out of whole cloth. When I said "It's not like Danny can just walk into Wyc's office and say "I just traded Rondo for xyz", he'd have to get Wyc's approval to even make the deal" I thought that would be common knowledge among people who follow the sport relatively closely. Apparently not.

Yeah i thought it was common knowledge that the owners would have to approve or at least be consulted when making a major move, including signing a coach, signing a free agent, and trading a major player.

As Celtic fans, we are lucky in that Ainge is really good at his job and has the trust of the owners. It sounds like their communication is great. They act as a singular force.

Unlike say the cavaliers or pistons...

Go Celtics!

[LooseCannon]

Morey said an earlier Asik deal fell apart at the ownership level.  Was it the other team balking at paying Asik?  Was it Rockets ownership insisting that Morey can't accept a lowball offer?

Ownership probably wants to be consulted whenever a trade affects payroll, which is pretty much every trade.

[Theodor]

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

I understand your point but you might forget that Wyc even met with Stevens at his home in the Indianapolis area before hiring him as our coach.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4705876/timeline-how-cs-landed-stevens

The Celtics' contingent returned to their plane and were optimistic they would soon have a deal. But ownership, so smitten by the meeting, implored Ainge to stay until a deal was secured. "Wyc and Pags were walking onto the plane, and Wyc and Pags say to me, 'You shouldn't fly back with us, you should stay,'" explained Ainge. "All of a sudden, they liked this guy so much, and [his] family, [so they said,] 'You gotta stay back. You're not flying back with us; you stay back until that contract is signed by him.'"

[Boris Badenov]

I don't think Danny cares what Wyc really thinks. He has been given the green light since he has been hired

Danny is already shrewd enough

The owner imo should not get involved with what the GM does, like the GM should not get involved as to what the coach does

Last time i checked Wyc is an owner. Some owners don't know jack about basketball. Wyc should sign off on trades and trust Danny is doing his job properly.

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

Danny traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen in 2007-2008. Did Wyc have much time to approve the trade?

There is no truth that Wyc told Danny to set the price high for Rondo.  He won't even know what is really considered high or low for Rondo. Like us fans don't really know. Danny knows best

First, you keep referring to Wyc as an "owner." He is not just an owner, he is the CEO and governor of the organization. Many owners hold no official capacity in their organizations - Wyc does hold such roles.

More to the point, there is plenty of evidence that Wyc has played a role in many of the key transactions of the last decade. Theodor above has already set you straight about Stevens. On to your other fictions...

From an ESPN story about the Ray Allen trade:

Encouraged by Wyc and his partners, Ainge sent the Celtics' No. 5 overall pick and two players to the Seattle SuperSonics on draft day in exchange for All-Star guard Ray Allen and the choice that would become Glen "Big Baby" Davis.

From a New York Times story about Wyc's unwillingness to include Rondo in the KG trade:

The caller was the Minnesota Timberwolves’ owner, Glen Taylor. He insisted that Rajon Rondo, who had just finished his first season in Boston, be a part of the deal that was being brokered to send Kevin Garnett to the Celtics. Taylor said his team desperately needed a young point guard.

Grousbeck was polite, but firm. There would be no deal if the Timberwolves did not back off their demand for Rondo. Including him was a nonstarter, the Celtics’ owner told Taylor, even in a deal for a future Hall of Famer like Garnett. Taylor eventually backed off and the teams struck the now famous deal that sent Garnett to Boston. Minnesota did end up with a young point guard — Sebastian Telfair.

In short: there's evidence that (a) Wyc likes Rondo, and (b) Wyc sometimes plays a role in determining who is and isn't included in trades. Wyc himself has "set the price" for Rondo in at least one previous deal.

In shorter: you're making stuff up.

[dark_lord]

of course wyc would say that.....who could the celts market if rondo goes and no all star comes back in return??

yes, wyc is a fan and a good owner, but he has to make $ as well, and keeping rondo is good for his business

[Tr1boy]

I don't think Danny cares what Wyc really thinks. He has been given the green light since he has been hired

Danny is already shrewd enough

The owner imo should not get involved with what the GM does, like the GM should not get involved as to what the coach does

Last time i checked Wyc is an owner. Some owners don't know jack about basketball. Wyc should sign off on trades and trust Danny is doing his job properly.

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

Danny traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen in 2007-2008. Did Wyc have much time to approve the trade?

There is no truth that Wyc told Danny to set the price high for Rondo.  He won't even know what is really considered high or low for Rondo. Like us fans don't really know. Danny knows best

First, you keep referring to Wyc as an "owner." He is not just an owner, he is the CEO and governor of the organization. Many owners hold no official capacity in their organizations - Wyc does hold such roles.

More to the point, there is plenty of evidence that Wyc has played a role in many of the key transactions of the last decade. Theodor above has already set you straight about Stevens. On to your other fictions...

From an ESPN story about the Ray Allen trade:

Encouraged by Wyc and his partners, Ainge sent the Celtics' No. 5 overall pick and two players to the Seattle SuperSonics on draft day in exchange for All-Star guard Ray Allen and the choice that would become Glen "Big Baby" Davis.

From a New York Times story about Wyc's unwillingness to include Rondo in the KG trade:

The caller was the Minnesota Timberwolves’ owner, Glen Taylor. He insisted that Rajon Rondo, who had just finished his first season in Boston, be a part of the deal that was being brokered to send Kevin Garnett to the Celtics. Taylor said his team desperately needed a young point guard.

Grousbeck was polite, but firm. There would be no deal if the Timberwolves did not back off their demand for Rondo. Including him was a nonstarter, the Celtics’ owner told Taylor, even in a deal for a future Hall of Famer like Garnett. Taylor eventually backed off and the teams struck the now famous deal that sent Garnett to Boston. Minnesota did end up with a young point guard — Sebastian Telfair.

In short: there's evidence that (a) Wyc likes Rondo, and (b) Wyc sometimes plays a role in determining who is and isn't included in trades. Wyc himself has "set the price" for Rondo in at least one previous deal.

In shorter: you're making stuff up.

do you know how to read?  You just put everything i have replied about the matter and still make up your own conclusion

Danny is the GM. Even you must agree. He and his team comes up with the ideas. The 5th pick for Ray Allen was not invented by Wyc.  Then why does Danny even have a job??

Wyc preferring to keep Rondo is fine. But telling Danny to set the price high is false (there is no proof this was said to Danny) .  An owner can tell his gm to get the world for one of his players. A player that you might have to trade to help your team move fwd.  That is a conflict for a GM to deal with. Some GMs won't and may quit or your team stinks for a long time

Ainge has been given alot of freedom since being hired and deservingly so. The KG, Allen trades were initiated by him and his team. Wyc can say if he agrees in the end. But why wouldn't he anyways?  Just bc he doesn't want to send Rondo to the wolves doesn't mean Ainge ever intended in the first place.

[BballTim]

I don't think Danny cares what Wyc really thinks. He has been given the green light since he has been hired

Danny is already shrewd enough

The owner imo should not get involved with what the GM does, like the GM should not get involved as to what the coach does

Last time i checked Wyc is an owner. Some owners don't know jack about basketball. Wyc should sign off on trades and trust Danny is doing his job properly.

Did Wyc have much input when Danny hired Stevens?  Wyc could of said no but he trust DAnny

Danny traded the 5th pick for Ray Allen in 2007-2008. Did Wyc have much time to approve the trade?

There is no truth that Wyc told Danny to set the price high for Rondo.  He won't even know what is really considered high or low for Rondo. Like us fans don't really know. Danny knows best

First, you keep referring to Wyc as an "owner." He is not just an owner, he is the CEO and governor of the organization. Many owners hold no official capacity in their organizations - Wyc does hold such roles.

More to the point, there is plenty of evidence that Wyc has played a role in many of the key transactions of the last decade. Theodor above has already set you straight about Stevens. On to your other fictions...

From an ESPN story about the Ray Allen trade:

Encouraged by Wyc and his partners, Ainge sent the Celtics' No. 5 overall pick and two players to the Seattle SuperSonics on draft day in exchange for All-Star guard Ray Allen and the choice that would become Glen "Big Baby" Davis.

From a New York Times story about Wyc's unwillingness to include Rondo in the KG trade:

The caller was the Minnesota Timberwolves’ owner, Glen Taylor. He insisted that Rajon Rondo, who had just finished his first season in Boston, be a part of the deal that was being brokered to send Kevin Garnett to the Celtics. Taylor said his team desperately needed a young point guard.

Grousbeck was polite, but firm. There would be no deal if the Timberwolves did not back off their demand for Rondo. Including him was a nonstarter, the Celtics’ owner told Taylor, even in a deal for a future Hall of Famer like Garnett. Taylor eventually backed off and the teams struck the now famous deal that sent Garnett to Boston. Minnesota did end up with a young point guard — Sebastian Telfair.

In short: there's evidence that (a) Wyc likes Rondo, and (b) Wyc sometimes plays a role in determining who is and isn't included in trades. Wyc himself has "set the price" for Rondo in at least one previous deal.

In shorter: you're making stuff up.

do you know how to read?  You just put everything i have replied about the matter and still make up your own conclusion

Danny is the GM. Even you must agree. He and his team comes up with the ideas. The 5th pick for Ray Allen was not invented by Wyc.  Then why does Danny even have a job??

Wyc preferring to keep Rondo is fine. But telling Danny to set the price high is false (there is no proof this was said to Danny) .  An owner can tell his gm to get the world for one of his players. A player that you might have to trade to help your team move fwd.  That is a conflict for a GM to deal with. Some GMs won't and may quit or your team stinks for a long time

Ainge has been given alot of freedom since being hired and deservingly so. The KG, Allen trades were initiated by him and his team. Wyc can say if he agrees in the end. But why wouldn't he anyways?  Just bc he doesn't want to send Rondo to the wolves doesn't mean Ainge ever intended in the first place.

  You're kind of grasping for straws. Wyc has quite a bit of say about personnel moves. That doesn't mean he initiates them and tells Danny "trade for Ray Allen" or "try and see if you can flip Glen Davis into Brandon Bass". He is going to have quite a bit of say in trades for stars. Danny couldn't have traded KG and PP to NJ without Wyc's ok. That didn't make Danny quit, just like having to wait for the owner to decide it was time to trade KG didn't make McHale quit the Wolves. The GMs know they don't own the teams or sign the paychecks so they don't expect to operate with complete autonomy.

[Roy H.]

do you know how to read?

Do you want to get suspended?

You have continually shown an inability to debate recently without making things personal.  You're not the only one, but it needs to stop, now. (And that goes for everyone making similar posts.)