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Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #75 on: December 04, 2013, 05:44:08 PM »

Offline Jailan34

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Here's my Anti-Tank Option.

#1 - Land the Disgraced Franchise Player from a Panicking Team with No Draft picks:

Boston Trades:

Jeff Green - 3 years 8.7 mil
Brandon Bass - 2 years 6.4 mil
Courtney Lee - 3 years 5.2 mil
Gerald Wallace - 3 years 10.1 mil
Kris Humphries - 12 mil expiring
2014 Boston 1st rounder (15-25)
2014 Nets Hawks 1st rounder (20ish)
2016 Nets 1st rounder
2016 Celtics 1st rounder

Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony - 2 years 21 mil
Amare Stoudamire's Corpse - 2 years 21 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lddatux


#2 - Land the defensive big with bust potential


Boston trades: 

Kelly Olynyk - 4 years 2 mil
2015 Clippers 1st rounder
Paul Pierce trade exception

Houston trades:

Omar Asik - 2 years 8.3 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khdv5yt


#3 - Make a playoff run this year

PG - Rondo
SG - Crawford
SF - Melo
PF - Sully
C - Asik
---
PG/SG - Bradley
PF/C - Fav


#4 - Superstar Pipe Dream in 2014-15


*At the 2014/15 Deadline

Boston Trades:

Amare's Corpse - 21 mil expiring
Jared Sullinger - 2 years 1.3 mil
2015 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Nets swap option
2018 Nets 1st rounder
2018 Boston 1st rounder

Timberwolves Trade:

Kevin Love - 14.6 mil... must sign extension
5-10 mil Bad Contracts of Wolves choosing (Wait to see who gets injured... K-Mart, Buddinger and Brewer all will have 3 years left on their deals)



#5 - 3-5 year Window


New Big 3:

Rondo (29 years old)
Kevin Love (26 years old)
Melo (30 years old) 

Also possibly still have Bradley, Crawford and Asik (expiring)

See these are the only kind of plans for the immediate future that don't involve tanking, and it really strengthens my resolve in that tanking is the right option.

Waiting for a star to request a trade and then hoping we're the team they decided to trade with AND THEN hoping to resign said player is a HUGE gamble in my mind, bigger than tanking for 1-2 years.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #76 on: December 04, 2013, 05:48:59 PM »

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I'd seriously ponder taking Asik and Lin if that meant peddling out Wallace. This, of course, also includes keeping Humphries and Bogans, so that we can accomodate Asik and Lin's considerable raises next season by just letting them expire.

Looks convoluted, though, and I'm not sure whether it's worth it for any of the two teams.

edit: Perhaps something like Wallace + Olynyk + Lee/Bogans for Lin and Asik... This gives Houston some salar relief, as it transforms the $30 million owed to Asik and Lin next year into two annual $15 million obligations in 2014 and 2015. Not sure how enticing this may be to them, though.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 06:28:28 PM by kozlodoev »
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Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #77 on: December 04, 2013, 06:00:39 PM »

Offline Jailan34

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I'd seriously ponder taking Asik and Lin if that meant peddling out Wallace. This, of course, also includes keeping Humphries and Bogans, so that we can accomodate Asik and Lin's considerable raises next season by just letting them expire.

Looks convoluted, though, and I'm not sure whether it's worth it for any of the two teams.

I like both players first off.

Our team would be better, likely 3rd in the east, but we still would be missing a superstar talent, I like both the player's but I'm having a hard time seeing how it progresses our team towards our next title.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #78 on: December 04, 2013, 06:26:20 PM »

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I'd seriously ponder taking Asik and Lin if that meant peddling out Wallace. This, of course, also includes keeping Humphries and Bogans, so that we can accomodate Asik and Lin's considerable raises next season by just letting them expire.

Looks convoluted, though, and I'm not sure whether it's worth it for any of the two teams.

I like both players first off.

Our team would be better, likely 3rd in the east, but we still would be missing a superstar talent, I like both the player's but I'm having a hard time seeing how it progresses our team towards our next title.
Well, this is mostly a team for next year, since both Asik and Lin expire after that. So you can pretty much see whether Sullinger will be able to keep his weight down and turn into a stud at PF, and if not -- just let Asik and Lin expire (or trade one or both of them -- they're both basically a Kris Humphries next season), and start over.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 06:59:36 PM by kozlodoev »
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Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #79 on: December 04, 2013, 06:43:23 PM »

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Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2013, 07:44:45 PM »

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Basically we have to draft well and trade well. No big surprises there.  All I can really tell you is the next two years:

This season we MUST keep Rondo, as he is a big draw card for free agent to sign with the Celtics.  Next year once a free agent is signed this coming off season, then we can trade Rondo at the trade deadline, otherwise he's going to get very expensive to keep once his contract runs out..

The main free agent we should try our best to sign this summer is Greg Monroe.  We have enough cap space if Humphries doesn't get traded by the deadline and his contract just expires.  If Greg Monroe doesn't want to sign here and play with Rondo, then we DO NOT sign Carmelo Anthony, or anyone else really unless we can get them on a bargain deal.  It's not that big of a deal if we can't sign Monroe.

We MUST keep Sullinger.

Bradley, Green, Crawford, Lee and Bass should all be traded in different deals to land better players; so instead of having five decent players we can have two very good players, or one really good player and some draft picks.  I understand that Crawford is playing well at point guard, but once Rondo comes back, he'll be redundant.

Trade Humphries by the trade deadline as filler for a great player, or let his contract expire and try to resign him in the offseason - and be happy about the capspace.

Keep Faverani.  Keep Pressey.  They are on bargain deals.  Keep Wallace - according to metrics he's playing better than Jeff Green this year, probably because of his defense. Next year he becomes a valuable expiring contract.  Not to mention Bogans should get traded at the trade deadline as an expiring contract.  If not, capspace baby!

Based on current standings our position in the draft would probably be 15 if we make the playoffs.  The Atlanta pick would probably be 20.

In this draft, as always, the most highest priority is landing a tier one player.  If the NBA draft were today, and Chad Fords rankings we accurate, we should trade a player of ours not named Sullinger or Rondo, and our #15 draft pick to move up in the draft to a relistic position (say #9 or #10) to land Noah Vonleh.  Believe it or not, he's a very, very good player.

If we aren't able to do this, the best option is to stand pat in the draft and with the #15 pick draft either Willie Cauley-Stein, Montrezl Harrell, or Alex Poythress.

With the #20 pick we should draft Kyle Anderson from UCLA.  Very, very underrated which is due to his lack of speed.  He's very, very good.  If he gets selected by anyone not named the Celtics in the draft, he'll get drafted by either the Thunder or the Spurs, because they are smart teams and will understand how good he really is.

Keep the Brooklyn picks to land a superstar who is head and shoulders above the competition.  This may be unrealistic (aiming for Durant or Love), but its probably the only justifiable way to trade those picks from Brooklyn. 
« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 07:58:13 PM by jyyzzoel »

Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »

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Here's my Anti-Tank Option.

#1 - Land the Disgraced Franchise Player from a Panicking Team with No Draft picks:

Boston Trades:

Jeff Green - 3 years 8.7 mil
Brandon Bass - 2 years 6.4 mil
Courtney Lee - 3 years 5.2 mil
Gerald Wallace - 3 years 10.1 mil
Kris Humphries - 12 mil expiring
2014 Boston 1st rounder (15-25)
2014 Nets Hawks 1st rounder (20ish)
2016 Nets 1st rounder
2016 Celtics 1st rounder

Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony - 2 years 21 mil
Amare Stoudamire's Corpse - 2 years 21 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lddatux


#2 - Land the defensive big with bust potential


Boston trades: 

Kelly Olynyk - 4 years 2 mil
2015 Clippers 1st rounder
Paul Pierce trade exception

Houston trades:

Omar Asik - 2 years 8.3 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khdv5yt


Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and 4 first round picks for Carmelo Anthony? Did somebody step on a duck?

fyi, players can't be combined with trade exceptions, i believe. not sure why the trade machine accepts that.
Can draft picks?  In which case just swap Olynyk for one of the 1sts. 

Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2013, 08:10:32 PM »

Offline LarBrd33

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Here's my Anti-Tank Option.

#1 - Land the Disgraced Franchise Player from a Panicking Team with No Draft picks:

Boston Trades:

Jeff Green - 3 years 8.7 mil
Brandon Bass - 2 years 6.4 mil
Courtney Lee - 3 years 5.2 mil
Gerald Wallace - 3 years 10.1 mil
Kris Humphries - 12 mil expiring
2014 Boston 1st rounder (15-25)
2014 Nets Hawks 1st rounder (20ish)
2016 Nets 1st rounder
2016 Celtics 1st rounder

Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony - 2 years 21 mil
Amare Stoudamire's Corpse - 2 years 21 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lddatux


#2 - Land the defensive big with bust potential


Boston trades: 

Kelly Olynyk - 4 years 2 mil
2015 Clippers 1st rounder
Paul Pierce trade exception

Houston trades:

Omar Asik - 2 years 8.3 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khdv5yt


#3 - Make a playoff run this year

PG - Rondo
SG - Crawford
SF - Melo
PF - Sully
C - Asik
---
PG/SG - Bradley
PF/C - Fav


#4 - Superstar Pipe Dream in 2014-15


*At the 2014/15 Deadline

Boston Trades:

Amare's Corpse - 21 mil expiring
Jared Sullinger - 2 years 1.3 mil
2015 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Nets swap option
2018 Nets 1st rounder
2018 Boston 1st rounder

Timberwolves Trade:

Kevin Love - 14.6 mil... must sign extension
5-10 mil Bad Contracts of Wolves choosing (Wait to see who gets injured... K-Mart, Buddinger and Brewer all will have 3 years left on their deals)



#5 - 3-5 year Window


New Big 3:

Rondo (29 years old)
Kevin Love (26 years old)
Melo (30 years old) 

Also possibly still have Bradley, Crawford and Asik (expiring)

See these are the only kind of plans for the immediate future that don't involve tanking, and it really strengthens my resolve in that tanking is the right option.

Waiting for a star to request a trade and then hoping we're the team they decided to trade with AND THEN hoping to resign said player is a HUGE gamble in my mind, bigger than tanking for 1-2 years.
Realistic trade scenarios aren't pretty... even ones where Boston magically converts their garbage into two superstars.   Gotta give up assets to gain stars.

I'm with you... I'd prefer tanking.  But this is a thread about non-tanking.  That's my best shot.  You aren't trading for happy all-stars leading contenders... that's silly.   But the idea of trading for Melo is at least somewhat plausible.

Re: Give me your best non-tanking rebuilding plan!
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2013, 07:54:54 AM »

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Here's my Anti-Tank Option.

#1 - Land the Disgraced Franchise Player from a Panicking Team with No Draft picks:

Boston Trades:

Jeff Green - 3 years 8.7 mil
Brandon Bass - 2 years 6.4 mil
Courtney Lee - 3 years 5.2 mil
Gerald Wallace - 3 years 10.1 mil
Kris Humphries - 12 mil expiring
2014 Boston 1st rounder (15-25)
2014 Nets Hawks 1st rounder (20ish)
2016 Nets 1st rounder
2016 Celtics 1st rounder

Knicks Trade:

Carmelo Anthony - 2 years 21 mil
Amare Stoudamire's Corpse - 2 years 21 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lddatux


#2 - Land the defensive big with bust potential


Boston trades: 

Kelly Olynyk - 4 years 2 mil
2015 Clippers 1st rounder
Paul Pierce trade exception

Houston trades:

Omar Asik - 2 years 8.3 mil

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=khdv5yt


#3 - Make a playoff run this year

PG - Rondo
SG - Crawford
SF - Melo
PF - Sully
C - Asik
---
PG/SG - Bradley
PF/C - Fav


#4 - Superstar Pipe Dream in 2014-15


*At the 2014/15 Deadline

Boston Trades:

Amare's Corpse - 21 mil expiring
Jared Sullinger - 2 years 1.3 mil
2015 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Boston 1st rounder
2017 Nets swap option
2018 Nets 1st rounder
2018 Boston 1st rounder

Timberwolves Trade:

Kevin Love - 14.6 mil... must sign extension
5-10 mil Bad Contracts of Wolves choosing (Wait to see who gets injured... K-Mart, Buddinger and Brewer all will have 3 years left on their deals)



#5 - 3-5 year Window


New Big 3:

Rondo (29 years old)
Kevin Love (26 years old)
Melo (30 years old) 

Also possibly still have Bradley, Crawford and Asik (expiring)

See these are the only kind of plans for the immediate future that don't involve tanking, and it really strengthens my resolve in that tanking is the right option.

Waiting for a star to request a trade and then hoping we're the team they decided to trade with AND THEN hoping to resign said player is a HUGE gamble in my mind, bigger than tanking for 1-2 years.
Realistic trade scenarios aren't pretty... even ones where Boston magically converts their garbage into two superstars.   Gotta give up assets to gain stars.

I'm with you... I'd prefer tanking.  But this is a thread about non-tanking.  That's my best shot.  You aren't trading for happy all-stars leading contenders... that's silly.   But the idea of trading for Melo is at least somewhat plausible.

no guarantee you come out better in a trade either. you have to give up assets to get assets. they could not mesh chemistry wise or just not perform like you want or could get injured. lots could go wrong.
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