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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2013, 05:37:32 PM »

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Coming here he wouldn't have to be "the man" he was this year in ATL. Less hero ball increased shot %. Even though doc is gone, rondo can teach him something about his shot and definitely get him the shots he needs and can make not the ones he just feels like taking. Only thorn is that ft%, can't fix that  ::)

That FT% issue is actually quite important. Putting all of Smith's other flaws aside, we have to keep in mind that if we do bring in Smith with Rondo, that gives us two key players who also happen to be free throw liabilities in late game situations.

  The reality is they aren't really liabilities in late game situations.

Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2013, 05:40:06 PM »

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The one thing that is worse than the Brooklyn trade was potentially getting Josh Smith. I'm glad this is not an option anymore.

I think a S&T for Andrew Bynum would be worse.

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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #197 on: June 28, 2013, 05:52:48 PM »

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The one thing that is worse than the Brooklyn trade was potentially getting Josh Smith. I'm glad this is not an option anymore.

I think a S&T for Andrew Bynum would be worse.

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LOL. Touche.

Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #198 on: June 28, 2013, 05:54:38 PM »

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Coming here he wouldn't have to be "the man" he was this year in ATL. Less hero ball increased shot %. Even though doc is gone, rondo can teach him something about his shot and definitely get him the shots he needs and can make not the ones he just feels like taking. Only thorn is that ft%, can't fix that  ::)

That FT% issue is actually quite important. Putting all of Smith's other flaws aside, we have to keep in mind that if we do bring in Smith with Rondo, that gives us two key players who also happen to be free throw liabilities in late game situations.

The reality is they aren't really liabilities in late game situations.

You're telling me you wouldn't worry at all when Rajon Rondo or Josh Smith take critical free throws with the game on the line?

Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #199 on: June 28, 2013, 06:01:18 PM »

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Josh Smith will be a Celtic in 2-3 weeks
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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #200 on: June 28, 2013, 06:02:47 PM »

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Josh Smith will be a Celtic in 2-3 weeks

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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #201 on: June 28, 2013, 06:09:16 PM »

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Coming here he wouldn't have to be "the man" he was this year in ATL. Less hero ball increased shot %. Even though doc is gone, rondo can teach him something about his shot and definitely get him the shots he needs and can make not the ones he just feels like taking. Only thorn is that ft%, can't fix that  ::)

That FT% issue is actually quite important. Putting all of Smith's other flaws aside, we have to keep in mind that if we do bring in Smith with Rondo, that gives us two key players who also happen to be free throw liabilities in late game situations.

The reality is they aren't really liabilities in late game situations.

You're telling me you wouldn't worry at all when Rajon Rondo or Josh Smith take critical free throws with the game on the line?

  Rondo and Smith both normally hit over 60% of their free throws. That works out to more than 1.2 point as per possession, which is higher than the scoring efficiency of any team in the league in most seasons. People have been fretting over hack-a-Rondo for years, yet we've never really seen it. That's because of simple math. Teams are better off letting the Celts try and score than fouling Rondo.

  It's true that a team that's behind late in the game that has to intentionally foul will go after one of them but that's a fairly manageable issue.

Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #202 on: June 28, 2013, 06:16:35 PM »

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Rondo and Smith both normally hit over 60% of their free throws. That works out to more than 1.2 point as per possession, which is higher than the scoring efficiency of any team in the league in most seasons. People have been fretting over hack-a-Rondo for years, yet we've never really seen it. That's because of simple math. Teams are better off letting the Celts try and score than fouling Rondo.

  It's true that a team that's behind late in the game that has to intentionally foul will go after one of them but that's a fairly manageable issue.

If a team was up, you're absolutely right; simple math says to simply play defense rather than give two freebies. So, of course I'm referring a team that's behind trying to claw back, and that's a problem that I think isn't "fairly manageable".

Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #203 on: June 28, 2013, 06:31:25 PM »

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  Rondo and Smith both normally hit over 60% of their free throws. That works out to more than 1.2 point as per possession, which is higher than the scoring efficiency of any team in the league in most seasons. People have been fretting over hack-a-Rondo for years, yet we've never really seen it. That's because of simple math. Teams are better off letting the Celts try and score than fouling Rondo.

  It's true that a team that's behind late in the game that has to intentionally foul will go after one of them but that's a fairly manageable issue.

It will be frustrating.  You might get the same roller-coaster ride from night to night that you would get from an efficient offense that lives by the three and dies by three.  If you couldn't stand Stan Van Gundy's threes-and-D12 offense in Orlando, you'll probably hate watching Rondo and Smith live at the line, even if it turns out to be highly effective.  But people tend to overvalue consistency.
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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #204 on: June 28, 2013, 06:46:02 PM »

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Josh Smith will be a Celtic in 2-3 weeks

Lol, what?
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Re: C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith
« Reply #205 on: June 28, 2013, 06:56:16 PM »

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Josh Smith will be a Celtic in 2-3 weeks

Lol, what?
Remember u heard it here first!!

I definitely did not hear it here first, but I did think I had heard it for the LAST time.