In defense of the trade, who else could Danny have traded with?

[steve]

How many teams would Garnet waive his no trade clause for? Clips were out. 

If Paul wasn't involved in the NY deal would KG have gone?  If not, what teams could financially take on BOTH KG and Paul? 

If you're complaining about the picks...What contending team is going to also have lottery picks in the next few years? 

If this was the only trade Danny could have done, would you rather have kept Paul and KG and try 1 more time at a title?  Remember if you don't win it, you don't have 3 extra picks to start a rebuilding process the following year. 

 

[jay]

I read on Hoopshype that Dallas was the next target to trade with.

Im assuming Shawn Marion would have been the main contract coming back. 

[celticsclay]

I read on Hoopshype that Dallas was the next target to trade with.

Im assuming Shawn Marion would have been the main contract coming back.

we are all guessing at this point, but I think at the trading deadline next year you would have seen a lot of teams willing to give up a bit more if they feel it puts them over the edge into title contention. For example, if Denver is cruising along under a new coach and Javale is actually producing maybe they trade us Chandler or Faried or something better for a year or two of going for a title with their group plus Garnett. Maybe Warriors or Pacers feel the same thing. If Granger returns to form and is a free agent soon, maybe we get him for Garnett. There are a million possibilities we can only speculate on. I guess the closest we will see is what does get traded at the deadline. Personally, I don't think the Wallace contract and a pick in the mid 20s and then possibly two in the 2 in the 12-20 range over the next 5 years is that impressive.

[j804]

Good post. I know I'm not thrilled with the trade, but once Doc was gone you knew Pierce/KG would follow along. Danny had his hands tied too because like you said what teams out there regardless of where the picks land, were willing to give up those firsts for both of them along with Terry? Which teams could we deal with that KG would want to go to? Woj said we tried dealing them out west but no teams were willing to give up anything for them. We could have kept KG a year but then he's now older and Pierce just walks to the Clippers next year.

I'm ok with the move, in that they were sent off together, to a playoff team and not a total crap situation. I think Danny did the deals with them in mind too sending them off somewhere with at least a shot to win a championship. It was s*** yesterday but i'm over it. I'll be rooting for them but not the Nets. lol

[Q_FBE]

We got three draft picks and an opportunity for cap space.

[rondoallaturca]

We already know Pierce is worth at least last night's #31, #33, and a trade exception. We already know KG is worth at least Deandre Jordan and a first rounder. Terry probably doesn't have much trade value, but he still would've netted us something more. Collectively, I think I would preferred something along those lines rather than a haul of three first rounders, an expiring contract, and Brooks, but also an albatross Gerald Wallce contract.

Since this trade can't process until July 10th anyway, I wish Ainge would've just remained patient and felt out the rest of the market. If he can't get a better deal, then fine. But he has nearly two whopping weeks to find one, and with Cleveland, Golden State, and Dallas all potential alternatives who each could have offered a deal that didn't involve taking back a bad contract, I wish he was a bit more patient.

[LooseCannon]

I read on Hoopshype that Dallas was the next target to trade with.

Im assuming Shawn Marion would have been the main contract coming back.

we are all guessing at this point, but I think at the trading deadline next year you would have seen a lot of teams willing to give up a bit more if they feel it puts them over the edge into title contention. For example, if Denver is cruising along under a new coach and Javale is actually producing maybe they trade us Chandler or Faried or something better for a year or two of going for a title with their group plus Garnett. Maybe Warriors or Pacers feel the same thing. If Granger returns to form and is a free agent soon, maybe we get him for Garnett. There are a million possibilities we can only speculate on. I guess the closest we will see is what does get traded at the deadline. Personally, I don't think the Wallace contract and a pick in the mid 20s and then possibly two in the 2 in the 12-20 range over the next 5 years is that impressive.

Looking at in-season trades for the past two seasons, teams are very reluctant to give up first-round picks at the trade deadline.  I wouldn't be shocked if the best you could do for Pierce at the deadline would be a non-expiring bad contract, a second- or third-year player with fading upside who hasn't cracked his team's rotation and a pair of second-round picks.  You're not getting a top 20 pick for 2014.  Maybe a 25-30 pick instead of the seconds.

I feel that this may close to the maximum return the Celtics can get for Pierce and Garnett.

[LooseCannon]

We already know Pierce is worth at least last night's #31, #33, and a trade exception. We already know KG is worth at least Deandre Jordan and a first rounder.

Given the way things shook down, I might interpret the nixed trade as evidence that KG might not be worth more than Deandre Jordan and a first.

[rondoallaturca]

We already know Pierce is worth at least last night's #31, #33, and a trade exception. We already know KG is worth at least Deandre Jordan and a first rounder.

Given the way things shook down, I might interpret the nixed trade as evidence that KG might not be worth more than Deandre Jordan and a first.

I thought it was the league unhappy with the trade?

[gpap]

Good post. I really don't think the Celts would've gotten a better deal for the old guys.

[LooseCannon]

We already know Pierce is worth at least last night's #31, #33, and a trade exception. We already know KG is worth at least Deandre Jordan and a first rounder.

Given the way things shook down, I might interpret the nixed trade as evidence that KG might not be worth more than Deandre Jordan and a first.

I thought it was the league unhappy with the trade?

But Ainge had to fight to extract that additional first-round pick.  Other teams might have more easily given the pick up, but I think they would also have held out on giving up Bledsoe.

[rondoallaturca]

But Ainge had to fight to extract that additional first-round pick.  Other teams might have more easily given the pick up, but I think they would also have held out on giving up Bledsoe.

Definitely, that would've been way too much. But I think LAC was willing to give up DJ and a 1st rounder for KG, which is reasonable.