Could Deandre Jordan average a double double with the c's?

[Fafnir]

I just can't talk myself into Jordan at all.

If not for some dunks and sports center moments he's basically like a poor man's Perk

Oh I think he will be much much better than Perk.

Potentially.

But he'll have to learn how to defend and screen better. The finishing and out of zone rebounding is already there for it as is the athleticism.

[Evantime34]

I just can't talk myself into Jordan at all.

If not for some dunks and sports center moments he's basically like a poor man's Perk

Oh I think he will be much much better than Perk.

Potentially.

But he'll have to learn how to defend and screen better. The finishing and out of zone rebounding is already there for it as is the athleticism.

He certainly has the higher upside. Perkins best quality became his knowing where to be exactly on defense, this skill wasn't apparent when he first started getting minutes with the C's.

If by some miracle Jordan can learn the rotations in a similar manner to Perk he has the chance to be several times the player he is.

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

[Fafnir]

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

Yes he was.

He was a 600 TS% guy before he hurt his knee, far more mobile and athletic finisher that what you see now. He was still awkward but was very effective all the same.

Perkins also effectively anchored our defense as the only shot blocker after KG's injury while extending his minutes and reducing his foul rate. He was also a superior rebounder to what he is now becuase of his better athleticism got more out of zone rebounds.

Now he's much more of a plodder on defense and can't finish near the rim for all his increased understanding of where to be and what to do.

Jordan's potential is several orders higher than Perkins because of his raw athleticism, but I'd be very happy if he just reached Perkins level of play from the 2009-2010 season before his knee tendonitis started to bother him.

[PhoSita]

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

Yes he was.

He was a 600 TS% guy before he hurt his knee, far more mobile and athletic finisher that what you see now. He was still awkward but was very effective all the same.

Perkins also effectively anchored our defense as the only shot blocker after KG's injury while extending his minutes and reducing his foul rate. He was also a superior rebounder to what he is now becuase of his better athleticism got more out of zone rebounds.

Now he's much more of a plodder on defense and can't finish near the rim for all his increased understanding of where to be and what to do.

Jordan's potential is several orders higher than Perkins because of his raw athleticism, but I'd be very happy if he just reached Perkins level of play from the 2009-2010 season before his knee tendonitis started to bother him.

Yeah it's easy to forget that in 2009-2010 Perk was having 20 and 10 games and was averaging 12 points a game for a good while.

Definitely sad that his knee injury robbed him of his prime.

[Evantime34]

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

Yes he was.

He was a 600 TS% guy before he hurt his knee, far more mobile and athletic finisher that what you see now. He was still awkward but was very effective all the same.

Perkins also effectively anchored our defense as the only shot blocker after KG's injury while extending his minutes and reducing his foul rate. He was also a superior rebounder to what he is now becuase of his better athleticism got more out of zone rebounds.

Now he's much more of a plodder on defense and can't finish near the rim for all his increased understanding of where to be and what to do.

Jordan's potential is several orders higher than Perkins because of his raw athleticism, but I'd be very happy if he just reached Perkins level of play from the 2009-2010 season before his knee tendonitis started to bother him.

Yeah it's easy to forget that in 2009-2010 Perk was having 20 and 10 games and was averaging 12 points a game for a good while.

Definitely sad that his knee injury robbed him of his prime.

I would argue that his true shooting percentage was due to the quality looks he got because of his teammates. Even in the year he nearly set the record for fg% I think he missed some looks that an average center makes.

[Fafnir]

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

Yes he was.

He was a 600 TS% guy before he hurt his knee, far more mobile and athletic finisher that what you see now. He was still awkward but was very effective all the same.

Perkins also effectively anchored our defense as the only shot blocker after KG's injury while extending his minutes and reducing his foul rate. He was also a superior rebounder to what he is now becuase of his better athleticism got more out of zone rebounds.

Now he's much more of a plodder on defense and can't finish near the rim for all his increased understanding of where to be and what to do.

Jordan's potential is several orders higher than Perkins because of his raw athleticism, but I'd be very happy if he just reached Perkins level of play from the 2009-2010 season before his knee tendonitis started to bother him.

Yeah it's easy to forget that in 2009-2010 Perk was having 20 and 10 games and was averaging 12 points a game for a good while.

Definitely sad that his knee injury robbed him of his prime.

I would argue that his true shooting percentage was due to the quality looks he got because of his teammates. Even in the year he nearly set the record for fg% I think he missed some looks that an average center makes.

Sure he did he was prone to fumble passes no matter how his knees were doing.

But he gets just as good of looks now playing with Westbrook/Durant. But now he's shooting 48% instead.

Look at his at the rim shooting percentages:
07-08: .676
08-09: .664
09-10: .723
10-11: .618
11-12: .612
12-13: .559

He shot under 50% on layups this year. He used to be good for over 60% on those and 90% on his dunks. Now he's down below 50% and 70% for dunks.

Layups and dunks don't degrade that much because of lack of opportunity, instead we're seeing the result of losing your lift and mobility.

[CelticG1]

Also was Perk really that good? He played great with KG, but he can't create his own offense, he can barely finish when set up well (takes way too long to gather). I know everyone loves Perk (including me) but I think he is a perfect fit as a last piece on a good veteran team, Jordan has the potential to be a a piece that could make the Celtics a good team eventually.

Yes he was.

He was a 600 TS% guy before he hurt his knee, far more mobile and athletic finisher that what you see now. He was still awkward but was very effective all the same.

Perkins also effectively anchored our defense as the only shot blocker after KG's injury while extending his minutes and reducing his foul rate. He was also a superior rebounder to what he is now becuase of his better athleticism got more out of zone rebounds.

Now he's much more of a plodder on defense and can't finish near the rim for all his increased understanding of where to be and what to do.

Jordan's potential is several orders higher than Perkins because of his raw athleticism, but I'd be very happy if he just reached Perkins level of play from the 2009-2010 season before his knee tendonitis started to bother him.

Yeah it's easy to forget that in 2009-2010 Perk was having 20 and 10 games and was averaging 12 points a game for a good while.

Definitely sad that his knee injury robbed him of his prime.

I would argue that his true shooting percentage was due to the quality looks he got because of his teammates. Even in the year he nearly set the record for fg% I think he missed some looks that an average center makes.

I'm sure Jordan had some decent looks with Chris Paul, blake Griffin and Jordan Crawford along his side.

I would be exstatic if he reached Perks level. He would become a legit asset and a real piece.

He's pretty far from that now and his free throw shooting is absolutely frightening. Its one thing to prefer putting in a different line up to end games and its another to pretty much not bae able to put Jordan in at the end of games

[CelticG1]

I'm stealing this from someone but DeAndre is like a version of Gerald Green.

Ridiculous upside but something just isn't quite right upstairs