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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2013, 09:09:19 PM »

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disappointed in Bass .  4 and 4  ???

As others have stated: Did you watch the game? Anyone who watched him play today and would say they are disappointed....well, it lines up is all.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2013, 09:39:01 PM »

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#2 - Avery Bradley is getting exposed by Ray Felton.  Just absolutely abused.  Felton only has 25 pounds on Bradley, but I take this as more proof that Bradley definitely isn't a long-term solution at Shooting Guard.  He's too small.  I like him as a backup defensive role playing PG.

So, let me get this straight.  Bradley is not a "long-term solution at SG" in your eyes, as evidenced by his play as a PG?  You crack me up man!
His alleged main asset is his ability to pressusre the opposing ballhandler. His ability to pressure the opposing ballhandler has been greatly diminished now that it's actually on the scouting report. Which is the main reason Bradley has turned into pretty much a dud.

Which part of this is hard to grasp?
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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2013, 10:02:21 PM »

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#2 - Avery Bradley is getting exposed by Ray Felton.  Just absolutely abused.  Felton only has 25 pounds on Bradley, but I take this as more proof that Bradley definitely isn't a long-term solution at Shooting Guard.  He's too small.  I like him as a backup defensive role playing PG.

So, let me get this straight.  Bradley is not a "long-term solution at SG" in your eyes, as evidenced by his play as a PG?  You crack me up man!
His alleged main asset is his ability to pressusre the opposing ballhandler. His ability to pressure the opposing ballhandler has been greatly diminished now that it's actually on the scouting report. Which is the main reason Bradley has turned into pretty much a dud.

Which part of this is hard to grasp?

Saying a player can't be a good SG because said player is not a good PG is asinine. The two positions are completely different.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2013, 10:08:34 PM »

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FACTS and evidence have been laid our ad infinitum here about doc's coaching failures. nobody can rebutt them yet.

That's funny. The last time you posted something about Doc, I posted the exact quote below:

People are going to eat their words when it comes to Doc like they're currently doing with Rondo.

The classic "you don't know what you have until it's gone" still stays true even till today. 

Chase him out of town and see what coach you end up with. 

Through this season, I've lost a lot of respect for the Celtics fans.  You would think we would know better.  I've heard this garbage for the longest about how the eltics fans are some of the most intelligent fans out there.  This couldn't be farther from the truth.

Go ahead, chase Doc out of town.

oh the irony!

btw, great rebuttal to the facts and evidence laid out all over this blog.   ::)

I've presented, along with many other people, plenty of evidence on this very blog that Doc:

1. Is not afraid to play rookies;
2. Plays big lineups when he has the personnel;
3. Rests his older players;
4. Is willing to give minutes to new and unproven players;
5. Can coach teams that out-perform their projections in the playoffs;
6. Can get over-achievement out of mediocre as well as very good teams.

I'm not sure what evidence you're talking about. But by all means, go back and read what people have written on these myths about Doc.

More important for right now, please suggest a coach you think would be superior - one we can actually get, mind you, not a coach from fantasy-land like Greg Popovich, Phil Jackson etc. - and lay out the facts and evidence as you put them to support your argument. I'd love to hear it.

Still waiting...

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2013, 10:49:56 PM »

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Green was okay. Plenty of dumb turnovers that kept him from having a 35+ point game...which seems to happen a lot. He was on the court for almost 50 minutes- the Knicks don't have anyone that should be able to guard him and they still stop him enough. I'm still waiting for him to take it to the next level.

One guy you forgot was Bass. Hard to say if he or Pierce was the MVP. Bass completely owned Melo on the defensive end and earned his paycheck. I'm almost shocked at how much his lateral movement and defensive skills have improved.

Bass+Pierce = tied MVP

Unless we can get Green scoring 30 points and avoid foul trouble with KG we don't stand a chance. Green MUST take over the second half. He needs at least 20 points in the second half with Crawford, Terry and Avery all hitting their open shots.
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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2013, 10:54:23 PM »

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Main takeaways. A win is great. We outlasted the Lakers. We have little height on the floor and Avery Bradley is ICE COLD.

Doc loosened up enough to give T-Will some minutes, but not enough to add a rebounder (Shav, DJ, Wilcox .. take your pick) or Lee (who can be very solid). 

We are gonna be okay next year: Rondo, Jeff (top 2 players), PP, KG, Sully (next 3), Lee, Bradley, Bass, Shav, Dieng (good role players). Maybe a bit of a trade to mix it up and we are in decent shape as a 6 seed perhaps.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2013, 08:50:42 AM »

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FACTS and evidence have been laid our ad infinitum here about doc's coaching failures. nobody can rebutt them yet.

That's funny. The last time you posted something about Doc, I posted the exact quote below:

People are going to eat their words when it comes to Doc like they're currently doing with Rondo.

The classic "you don't know what you have until it's gone" still stays true even till today. 

Chase him out of town and see what coach you end up with. 

Through this season, I've lost a lot of respect for the Celtics fans.  You would think we would know better.  I've heard this garbage for the longest about how the eltics fans are some of the most intelligent fans out there.  This couldn't be farther from the truth.

Go ahead, chase Doc out of town.

oh the irony!

btw, great rebuttal to the facts and evidence laid out all over this blog.   ::)

I've presented, along with many other people, plenty of evidence on this very blog that Doc:

1. Is not afraid to play rookies;
2. Plays big lineups when he has the personnel;
3. Rests his older players;
4. Is willing to give minutes to new and unproven players;
5. Can coach teams that out-perform their projections in the playoffs;
6. Can get over-achievement out of mediocre as well as very good teams.

I'm not sure what evidence you're talking about. But by all means, go back and read what people have written on these myths about Doc.

More important for right now, please suggest a coach you think would be superior - one we can actually get, mind you, not a coach from fantasy-land like Greg Popovich, Phil Jackson etc. - and lay out the facts and evidence as you put them to support your argument. I'd love to hear it.

Still waiting...

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO A SEARCH????????????  IT IS ALL OVER!!!!!!!!!!! SEARCH!


DOES DOC NOT TAKE TOO MANY JUMPERS WITH HIS TEAMS?????


DO WE ATTACK THE PAINT ENOUGH???????????????????

DO WE POST UP ENOUGH???????

DO WE DRIBBLE DRIVE ENOUGH?

cut enough?

dish enough?

SMALLBALL enough now for ya?????? how is that working out?

you actually think he is using everyone correctly and getting the most out of each?
you actually think he is good at coaching guys up offensively?

you think JET is just a spot up shooter? and not to use him on P&R's as well. or let him create off the dribble? have we done that enough this year? NO.

you think not teaching offensive rebounding is smart? really? Do you realize offensive boards=more points and chances? How is that working out for us? How did that getting back on D work out against those 3's by the knicks as well as all year long?

and do not tell me we cannot do what i listed above in certain matchups. doc does not even try enough.

wait you saying doc can coach up? that is laughable. he relies on talent. if he coached up the 2009 or 2010 team he could have two more titles. but no he has one which he relied on talent. 2008. talent carried us last year also. rondo and KG in the playoffs. if doc was such a great coach the sixers should have never taken us to 7.

if doc was a great coach after watching his smallball fail game after game after game he would try some bigs no? maybe different strategy? shav can rebound and score some. why not try him? is it not smarter to go down swinging UNLIKE what doc is doing?

END THREAD!
« Last Edit: April 29, 2013, 09:01:18 AM by Boston Garden Leprechaun »
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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2013, 09:16:48 AM »

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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2013, 09:40:31 AM »

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FACTS and evidence have been laid our ad infinitum here about doc's coaching failures. nobody can rebutt them yet.

That's funny. The last time you posted something about Doc, I posted the exact quote below:

People are going to eat their words when it comes to Doc like they're currently doing with Rondo.

The classic "you don't know what you have until it's gone" still stays true even till today. 

Chase him out of town and see what coach you end up with. 

Through this season, I've lost a lot of respect for the Celtics fans.  You would think we would know better.  I've heard this garbage for the longest about how the eltics fans are some of the most intelligent fans out there.  This couldn't be farther from the truth.

Go ahead, chase Doc out of town.

oh the irony!

btw, great rebuttal to the facts and evidence laid out all over this blog.   ::)

I've presented, along with many other people, plenty of evidence on this very blog that Doc:

1. Is not afraid to play rookies;
2. Plays big lineups when he has the personnel;
3. Rests his older players;
4. Is willing to give minutes to new and unproven players;
5. Can coach teams that out-perform their projections in the playoffs;
6. Can get over-achievement out of mediocre as well as very good teams.

I'm not sure what evidence you're talking about. But by all means, go back and read what people have written on these myths about Doc.

More important for right now, please suggest a coach you think would be superior - one we can actually get, mind you, not a coach from fantasy-land like Greg Popovich, Phil Jackson etc. - and lay out the facts and evidence as you put them to support your argument. I'd love to hear it.

Still waiting...

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO A SEARCH????????????  IT IS ALL OVER!!!!!!!!!!! SEARCH!


DOES DOC NOT TAKE TOO MANY JUMPERS WITH HIS TEAMS?????


DO WE ATTACK THE PAINT ENOUGH???????????????????

DO WE POST UP ENOUGH???????

DO WE DRIBBLE DRIVE ENOUGH?

cut enough?

dish enough?

SMALLBALL enough now for ya?????? how is that working out?

you actually think he is using everyone correctly and getting the most out of each?
you actually think he is good at coaching guys up offensively?

you think JET is just a spot up shooter? and not to use him on P&R's as well. or let him create off the dribble? have we done that enough this year? NO.

you think not teaching offensive rebounding is smart? really? Do you realize offensive boards=more points and chances? How is that working out for us? How did that getting back on D work out against those 3's by the knicks as well as all year long?

and do not tell me we cannot do what i listed above in certain matchups. doc does not even try enough.

wait you saying doc can coach up? that is laughable. he relies on talent. if he coached up the 2009 or 2010 team he could have two more titles. but no he has one which he relied on talent. 2008. talent carried us last year also. rondo and KG in the playoffs. if doc was such a great coach the sixers should have never taken us to 7.

if doc was a great coach after watching his smallball fail game after game after game he would try some bigs no? maybe different strategy? shav can rebound and score some. why not try him? is it not smarter to go down swinging UNLIKE what doc is doing?

END THREAD!

I see not a single fact or piece of evidence.

I see YOUR opinion.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2013, 10:12:04 AM »

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#2 - Avery Bradley is getting exposed by Ray Felton.  Just absolutely abused.  Felton only has 25 pounds on Bradley, but I take this as more proof that Bradley definitely isn't a long-term solution at Shooting Guard.  He's too small.  I like him as a backup defensive role playing PG.

So, let me get this straight.  Bradley is not a "long-term solution at SG" in your eyes, as evidenced by his play as a PG?  You crack me up man!
His alleged main asset is his ability to pressusre the opposing ballhandler. His ability to pressure the opposing ballhandler has been greatly diminished now that it's actually on the scouting report. Which is the main reason Bradley has turned into pretty much a dud.

Which part of this is hard to grasp?

Saying a player can't be a good SG because said player is not a good PG is asinine. The two positions are completely different.
No, they're not. Bradley can't be a good SG because he really isn't a good player. His failure this season is not because he hasn't been a great PG, it's because he's completely failed in the two things that are allegedly his calling card: strong on-the-ball defense, and a reasonable corner three and mid-range jumper success rate.

I don't think it's a coincidence this has happened now that he actually started occurring on scouting reports.

« Last Edit: April 29, 2013, 10:19:24 AM by kozlodoev »
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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2013, 10:38:03 AM »

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EJPlayer,

You make it sound like JR did NOT DESERVE to be suspended for the most malicious elbow thrown (outside of perhaps Ron Artest's on Harden) in the last 10 years in the playoffs.  It is truly puzzling HOW he ONLY got a 1 game suspension.  He did NOT have to do that but he proved he is a THUG and I bet Stern is having a few sleepless nights about having just given him the 6th man award.

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Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2013, 11:02:05 AM »

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Any chance Bradley is playing injured.

Showed up late to that practice and has been pretty abysmal.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2013, 11:09:13 AM »

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FACTS and evidence have been laid our ad infinitum here about doc's coaching failures. nobody can rebutt them yet.

That's funny. The last time you posted something about Doc, I posted the exact quote below:

People are going to eat their words when it comes to Doc like they're currently doing with Rondo.

The classic "you don't know what you have until it's gone" still stays true even till today. 

Chase him out of town and see what coach you end up with. 

Through this season, I've lost a lot of respect for the Celtics fans.  You would think we would know better.  I've heard this garbage for the longest about how the eltics fans are some of the most intelligent fans out there.  This couldn't be farther from the truth.

Go ahead, chase Doc out of town.

oh the irony!

btw, great rebuttal to the facts and evidence laid out all over this blog.   ::)

I've presented, along with many other people, plenty of evidence on this very blog that Doc:

1. Is not afraid to play rookies;
2. Plays big lineups when he has the personnel;
3. Rests his older players;
4. Is willing to give minutes to new and unproven players;
5. Can coach teams that out-perform their projections in the playoffs;
6. Can get over-achievement out of mediocre as well as very good teams.

I'm not sure what evidence you're talking about. But by all means, go back and read what people have written on these myths about Doc.

More important for right now, please suggest a coach you think would be superior - one we can actually get, mind you, not a coach from fantasy-land like Greg Popovich, Phil Jackson etc. - and lay out the facts and evidence as you put them to support your argument. I'd love to hear it.

Still waiting...

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO A SEARCH????????????  IT IS ALL OVER!!!!!!!!!!! SEARCH!


DOES DOC NOT TAKE TOO MANY JUMPERS WITH HIS TEAMS?????


DO WE ATTACK THE PAINT ENOUGH???????????????????

DO WE POST UP ENOUGH???????

DO WE DRIBBLE DRIVE ENOUGH?

cut enough?

dish enough?

SMALLBALL enough now for ya?????? how is that working out?

you actually think he is using everyone correctly and getting the most out of each?
you actually think he is good at coaching guys up offensively?

you think JET is just a spot up shooter? and not to use him on P&R's as well. or let him create off the dribble? have we done that enough this year? NO.

you think not teaching offensive rebounding is smart? really? Do you realize offensive boards=more points and chances? How is that working out for us? How did that getting back on D work out against those 3's by the knicks as well as all year long?

and do not tell me we cannot do what i listed above in certain matchups. doc does not even try enough.

wait you saying doc can coach up? that is laughable. he relies on talent. if he coached up the 2009 or 2010 team he could have two more titles. but no he has one which he relied on talent. 2008. talent carried us last year also. rondo and KG in the playoffs. if doc was such a great coach the sixers should have never taken us to 7.

if doc was a great coach after watching his smallball fail game after game after game he would try some bigs no? maybe different strategy? shav can rebound and score some. why not try him? is it not smarter to go down swinging UNLIKE what doc is doing?

END THREAD!

You seem to be confused about what a fact is (hint: writing something in all caps, with lots of emoticons, does not magically transform it from an undefended opinion into a fact).

Let me give you an example. You are complaining about small ball.

In this series Doc's preferred starting lineup has consisted of a C, a PF, a PF/SF, another PF and an SG (albeit a small one). We have a height advantage at every position except C, and an overall size advantage at every position except C and PG.

That seems like the opposite of small ball to me. Pierce is playing SG precisely because it gives him an advantage against Prigioni et al.

Doc isn't playing bigger guys off the bench because Wilcox shows no sign of being able to defend, particularly against the pick and roll.

Here's a quote supporting my point:

"Moreover, he shows an unfortunate tendency to switch onto opposing wings when defending the pick and roll. "

http://www.celticstown.com/2013/03/04/chris-wilcox-things-are-starting-to-come-along/

This is a limitation because of New York's reliance on the pick and roll:

http://knicksnow.com/posts/3328/Round%201%20Scouting%20Report%20Update?page_num=2#.UX6Klb_Fg9Q

Just for the record, I do know how to "DO A SEARCH!!!!" because I can post links to my sources - something you still haven't done (in part because you have not quoted any fact or evidence...):

So, if Wilcox isn't going to play we are left with Randolph, who has been deemed unworthy of an NBA roster spot by every team in the league for the last three years, until the Celtics signed him. Are you suggesting we play him? Who would he cover, at PF in a big lineup - Carmelo Anthony?

We could go on and on, and lots of people have on this blog, but these are "facts" and "evidence." If you have some supporting your points, please share it with us.

Re: Four Takeaways from Game 4
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2013, 09:44:14 PM »

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I think it's all opinion. It's what the forum is for.

Having said that, IMO, small ball is poor strategy. Not just this series either. It's literally Doc's system now. Does it work? I don't think so. But that's my opinion.


I think we are going to lose this series, in NY, if Doc does not conform. He has a history of being stubborn, so I doubt he makes a change.

Will we ever know if Shav and KG would work? I doubt it. Not with Doc. But it does not make it untrue. The best unit this series seems to feature a true PF (Bass) and KG. But I'm only basing this on my eyeball test.
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