Time to Blow It Up

[JSD]

Luck17, The thread you're looking for?

I understand Pierce has a weird option on his contract where only some of it is guaranteed next season. My question is would it be possible for Pierce to opt out and restructure his deal like he did the last time?

Basically, is there a player option provision in there as well?

No, I don't believe that he has a player option.

Oh, maybe wrong. Storytellerscontracts.com has Pierce down as both a player contract + partially guaranteed. Need a second source to confirm that. Shamsports just has Pierce down as non-guaranteed (no player option).

In conclusion, nobody knows.

[Lucky17]

No, there was a more substantive conversation about the option on Pierce's contract, and how it related to a potential restructuring of the contract.

Sections 57-60 of Coon's FAQ suggests it may be possible, I think.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

[Who]

Lol the time to blow it up was two years ago when our vets actually had trade value. At this point, our team will be blown up naturally when kg and pierce retire after sunday... And it will take exponentially longer for us to become relevant again.

Pierce ain't walking away from 16 mill. Would be surprised if the all star kg walked away from 11 mill. Real surprised.

Both these guys can still contribute a ton to a team, they just can't carry a team.

I wonder if Danny will pay him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pierce looked for an extension this summer. Offered to opt out of his deal if they have an agreement in place for say a new 3 year deal.

Say $25-30 million over three years.

I would take it in a heartbeat. Many wouldn't.

I wouldn't. I am ready to move on from Paul Pierce.

[JSD]

Those words hurt my heart, Who.

[Kane3387]

Who is right.

It's LeBron's time now. Barring a miracle we wont have a realistic shot at a title for at least the next 3-4 years. It's time to get something for KG and Pierce if we can. I'd rather have a shot in a couple years with Rondo in his prime then end up rebuilding the whole time he's in his prime.

I trust Ainge with drafting a great player in the lottery. It't time to get assets.

If Peyton Manning can wear another jersey then anyone can.

[BballTim]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

With Rondo on this team this year we were still a 500 ball club and still would be first round out.

  We go through long stretches playing .500 ball every year and we've never been first round out before. There's no reason to believe this year is wildly different from the past 3.

The "stretch" of 500 ball was the entire season up to that point with us rarely going on a winning streak longer than a few games. That doesn't really qualify as a "stretch". That is who we were.

  It was a little longer that the 34 game stretch of .500 ball to start the 2012 season (when we went to the ecf) and a little shorter than the 54 game stretch of .500 ball in the 2010 season when we went to the finals. If you want to call it something other than a stretch, fine. If you want to say we haven't seen the same thing before you weren't paying a lot of attention those seasons.

And none of that means anything unless you come to admit that PP and KG are done. When you have two hall of famers you might be able to turn it on in the playoffs and compete. We now have 2 old guys who aren't near the players they once were. Especially defensively. Sure they are wiley enough to throw some stats on the board here and there. They aren't however good enough to do it when it matters and the other team decides to take them away. That isn't a criticism of them, just plain facts. They are old. The team used to be able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies since they (plus Ray) were so good. That day is over though and Rondo is just going to be deficient. Talented, but not close to being able to carry a team with major flaws like we will have.

  KG and PP have been far from the players that they were in their primes for at least 3-4 years. And our problems are more on offense than defense, where we've been playing like a top 5 team since the first of the year or so. The team was able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies in 2008 when his lack of scoring was a problem. Over the last 3-4 playoffs Rondo's been pretty dominant when he was healthy. Saying he's not close to being able to carry a team is nonsensical, we saw his bring last year's team to within a game of the finals. In the 2012 playoffs we had PP playing on a sprained MCL and that was by far the healthiest sf or sg we had on the roster. Clearly that team was  more flawed than this year's team. You're watching a team play without their best offensive player, nothing more.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

With Rondo on this team this year we were still a 500 ball club and still would be first round out.

  We go through long stretches playing .500 ball every year and we've never been first round out before. There's no reason to believe this year is wildly different from the past 3.

The "stretch" of 500 ball was the entire season up to that point with us rarely going on a winning streak longer than a few games. That doesn't really qualify as a "stretch". That is who we were.

  It was a little longer that the 34 game stretch of .500 ball to start the 2012 season (when we went to the ecf) and a little shorter than the 54 game stretch of .500 ball in the 2010 season when we went to the finals. If you want to call it something other than a stretch, fine. If you want to say we haven't seen the same thing before you weren't paying a lot of attention those seasons.

And none of that means anything unless you come to admit that PP and KG are done. When you have two hall of famers you might be able to turn it on in the playoffs and compete. We now have 2 old guys who aren't near the players they once were. Especially defensively. Sure they are wiley enough to throw some stats on the board here and there. They aren't however good enough to do it when it matters and the other team decides to take them away. That isn't a criticism of them, just plain facts. They are old. The team used to be able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies since they (plus Ray) were so good. That day is over though and Rondo is just going to be deficient. Talented, but not close to being able to carry a team with major flaws like we will have.

  KG and PP have been far from the players that they were in their primes for at least 3-4 years. And our problems are more on offense than defense, where we've been playing like a top 5 team since the first of the year or so. The team was able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies in 2008 when his lack of scoring was a problem. Over the last 3-4 playoffs Rondo's been pretty dominant when he was healthy. Saying he's not close to being able to carry a team is nonsensical, we saw his bring last year's team to within a game of the finals. In the 2012 playoffs we had PP playing on a sprained MCL and that was by far the healthiest sf or sg we had on the roster. Clearly that team was  more flawed than this year's team. You're watching a team play without their best offensive player, nothing more.

nothing more??? wow. just wow. unbelievable.

[BballTim]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

With Rondo on this team this year we were still a 500 ball club and still would be first round out.

  We go through long stretches playing .500 ball every year and we've never been first round out before. There's no reason to believe this year is wildly different from the past 3.

The "stretch" of 500 ball was the entire season up to that point with us rarely going on a winning streak longer than a few games. That doesn't really qualify as a "stretch". That is who we were.

  It was a little longer that the 34 game stretch of .500 ball to start the 2012 season (when we went to the ecf) and a little shorter than the 54 game stretch of .500 ball in the 2010 season when we went to the finals. If you want to call it something other than a stretch, fine. If you want to say we haven't seen the same thing before you weren't paying a lot of attention those seasons.

And none of that means anything unless you come to admit that PP and KG are done. When you have two hall of famers you might be able to turn it on in the playoffs and compete. We now have 2 old guys who aren't near the players they once were. Especially defensively. Sure they are wiley enough to throw some stats on the board here and there. They aren't however good enough to do it when it matters and the other team decides to take them away. That isn't a criticism of them, just plain facts. They are old. The team used to be able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies since they (plus Ray) were so good. That day is over though and Rondo is just going to be deficient. Talented, but not close to being able to carry a team with major flaws like we will have.

  KG and PP have been far from the players that they were in their primes for at least 3-4 years. And our problems are more on offense than defense, where we've been playing like a top 5 team since the first of the year or so. The team was able to overcome Rondo's deficiencies in 2008 when his lack of scoring was a problem. Over the last 3-4 playoffs Rondo's been pretty dominant when he was healthy. Saying he's not close to being able to carry a team is nonsensical, we saw his bring last year's team to within a game of the finals. In the 2012 playoffs we had PP playing on a sprained MCL and that was by far the healthiest sf or sg we had on the roster. Clearly that team was  more flawed than this year's team. You're watching a team play without their best offensive player, nothing more.

nothing more??? wow. just wow. unbelievable.

  Our defense has been pretty good against the Knicks, their offensive efficiency is about 10 points below their season's average. We're even rebounding fairly well. But our offense has been abysmal. People think it's unrelated to the fact that we're missing the player who scored or assisted almost *half* of our points in the playoffs last year. I can assure you that isn't at all true.

[bobbyv]

No, there was a more substantive conversation about the option on Pierce's contract, and how it related to a potential restructuring of the contract.

Sections 57-60 of Coon's FAQ suggests it may be possible, I think.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q58

Pierce's contract cannot be restructured.

[More Banners]

It's still in KG's hands.

At least all the doubters can now have the proof they need to finally accept how good Rondo is, and how much of a difference he makes on this team.

With Rondo we were one game away from the Finals last year.  Without him this year, we're toast.  You'd have to be blind, or just plain stubborn, to not acknowledge this.

This is all I'm gonna say at this point.  I'm not ready to predict what lies ahead, especially when the direction of the teams lies in the hands of a wounded warrior like KG.  He likely isn't going to decide, himself, until months from now.

That, and, I bummed right now.

It's not up to KG any more.

Danny's on the hot seat.

No way I have Pierce around next year at $14M or whatever.  I trade that contract on draft night for whatever I can get, or dump it and save $10M, and get on with the Green thing.  That just needs to happen.

Bradley is showing that he's best coming off the bench as 3rd guard, period.  He may want to get paid more than that, but I might dangle him with Pierce first.  Hopefully, it returns a Center.

If KG is still on board for next year, fine.  But he's not calling shots, and we're not building around him.  His versatility means we can add best big talent to play next to him.

I try to cut JET loose, and Bass is too expensive, though I like his play when he's aggressive.  We're probably stuck with Bass, but Terry's a buyout/retire candidate if ever there was one. 

So I look for a draft night deal involving Pierce that brings in a solid big for next year and beyond.

Rondo/Williams
Lee/Crawford
Green/FA Whiz
Sully/Bass
Big/KG or whoever.