My final thoughts on the roster and direction of the C's

[CoachBo]

Ditto.

If either one of the Purdue Two start, we're in the lottery.

[BostonNative]

You're starting 3J with PJ3 to back him up?  Yikes!

No issue they need burn they aren't scrubs. If push comes to shove and j3 struggles we can sign PF's in the next FA as there will be plenty avaiable.

[anthony83]

What will happen to Jeff Green, Wilcox, Pietrus, Dooling?

Gone, Gone, Gone! It's time to head towards a new direction. Dooling is only good for LOOKING LIKE HE CAN PLAY D. Dont like him as a back up.

Everyone else is facing injures why continue to waste cap and roster space?

 +1

 Dooling is a limited player, Pietrus for the minimum is not bad idea, but Dooling, Green, Hollins gone gone gone.

[BostonNative]

Going to have to understand soon enough we are going to need REPLACEMENTS not backups people. If we wait till KG and Ray retire and not have young people with potential we will not get ANYONE in 2013/2014 FA thats worth getting. People want ot play for contenders.

We can hope P3 or JJJ turn out to be stars.

[j804]

p3 j3 MJ I'm lost?!

lol

[Jon]

In defense of the OP, I could see JaJuan Johnson stepping into a role similar to Brandon Bass's whether it's starting or off the bench. 

90% of Bass's offense came on open 15-18 foot jumpers and easy finishes around the basket.  Now Bass handled that job better than BBD and other people who we've tried out at that spot, so he deserves quite a bit of credit.  But given that JJJ is a good jump shooter, a good finisher, and actually can block some shots, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he couldn't have some success doing what Bass did. 

Ideally, I'd like to see him earn that spot, and not go into camp thinking he can do it.  However, I wouldn't rule out JJJ having an impact next year. 

[BostonNative]

In defense of the OP, I could see JaJuan Johnson stepping into a role similar to Brandon Bass's whether it's starting or off the bench. 

90% of Bass's offense came on open 15-18 foot jumpers and easy finishes around the basket.  Now Bass handled that job better than BBD and other people who we've tried out at that spot, so he deserves quite a bit of credit.  But given that JJJ is a good jump shooter, a good finisher, and actually can block some shots, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he couldn't have some success doing what Bass did. 

Ideally, I'd like to see him earn that spot, and not go into camp thinking he can do it.  However, I wouldn't rule out JJJ having an impact next year. 

Exactly, Bass can easily be replace. What i'm saying is why keep him if he is not what we really want? Why pay 4m for a back up? We cant yell and scream that we need bigs but continue to utlize the undersized big that we have. If you make it to the pros you should be able to knock down every open jumper you get a chance to do.

Watch the games. IF he snaged down rebound on offense and had a punch of hands all around him he would get in to PANIC MODE. He seems confused with the ball at times i would rather have a PF who has mor effective low post moves. Better yet i want HEIGHT

[mctyson]

We trade the hornets for their 10th pick by getting Ariza who is earning 7m a year. (From what i heard we pick up his contract and we will receive the 10th pick)


Now we have 10th pick, 21st pick, 22nd pick, 33rd, 34th + Ariza.

Package 21 + 22nd + 34 and get bucks 12th

Using the mock draft from http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

10th pick = PJ3

12th pick = Myers Leonard

34th pick = Deron Lamb
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Exactly what are we trading to NO to get this lottery pick?  They can't just give Ariza to us, we'd have to match salaries with either a player of our own or a trade exception.  And we'd have to give up something for the pick, they are not giving that away.

I think this destroys your whole plan.

Nah wouldn't say that in that case we just trade a player for it. (Bass, Moore, Steamer) Depending on what they want. To my understanding they just wanted to get rid of his contract, either way it can be done for bass's or for one of the others.

I am sure NO wants to get rid of Ariza's contract, and yes they may have hinted that the #10 pick would be available for a trade that included Ariza, but there is no way on God's green earth that NO is giving away the pick just to give away Ariza, because that would be crazy and also impossible under NBA rules.

[LooseCannon]

It is possible under NBA rules to effectively give away the pick with Ariza if he is traded to a team with cap space that sends out a top-45 protected second round pick (the maximum protection allowed) or the draft rights to a foreign player taken many years ago who is unlikely to come to the US.

[LarBrd33]

This is what I want to happen:

Let’s say the salary cap is 60m for this coming season.

Keeping:

*Roughly

Rondo- 11m

PP- 16.8m

AB- 1.6m

JJJ- 1.1m

Steamer- 1.1m

Moore- 762k
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This is 21.362m *roughly

So we have roughly 38.638m left and this is what we do.

Resign:

KG 1yr 8m
Ray 1yr 5m
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Now we have 25m left under cap and this is where it gets interesting.

ANyone ever told you that you stink at math? 

Cap is about 58 mil. 

Pierce (16., Rondo (11), Bradley (1.6), JJ (1.1), Steamer (1.1), Moore (762k) = 32.4 million

You just gave KG 8 mil and Ray 5 mil.  = 45.4 mil. 

You now have 12.6 mil in cap space.

Although that still actually would be enough money to swallow Ariza's contract... You're just saying goodbye to Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, Pietrus...

What I'm NOT sure about is whether that deal can be done on draft day.  Will Brandon Bass already be opted out of his 4.2 mil and will we have renounced the bird rights to KG, Ray, etc ?  Free agency happens AFTER the draft... so swallowing Ariza's contract isn't really possible.

[2short]

In defense of the OP, I could see JaJuan Johnson stepping into a role similar to Brandon Bass's whether it's starting or off the bench. 

90% of Bass's offense came on open 15-18 foot jumpers and easy finishes around the basket.  Now Bass handled that job better than BBD and other people who we've tried out at that spot, so he deserves quite a bit of credit.  But given that JJJ is a good jump shooter, a good finisher, and actually can block some shots, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he couldn't have some success doing what Bass did. 

Ideally, I'd like to see him earn that spot, and not go into camp thinking he can do it.  However, I wouldn't rule out JJJ having an impact next year. 

agree, bass did a nice job filling in as a starter but he IS NOT quality staring material, very good as a pf sub though
I'd be happier signing kg to just about anything.  Using $ on Jeff Green (but not too much) and making sure greg and mp are signed.  After that see what we do with draft picks and developing JJJ.  If he could give us 10 quality minutes a night at pf that would be great.  Go with a hybrid team, kg pf minutes, jeff green pf minutes.  Add a quality big, pf or center
dooling is good for locker room as a backup pg he's weak

[greenpride32]

The key is whether Ainge decides to rebuild or make another run.  If we rebuild, we don't want KG or Ray back at any price, that's just how the business works.  Or suppose Ainge wants another run, but the core don't agree to come back, that will force Ainge to just rebuild.  The FA market is just too thin this year that I think our only real chance to be competitive is bring the gang back and add pieces (really what we've tried to do the past 2 years).

[BostonNative]

This is what I want to happen:

Let’s say the salary cap is 60m for this coming season.

Keeping:

*Roughly

Rondo- 11m

PP- 16.8m

AB- 1.6m

JJJ- 1.1m

Steamer- 1.1m

Moore- 762k
-----------------------
This is 21.362m *roughly

So we have roughly 38.638m left and this is what we do.

Resign:

KG 1yr 8m
Ray 1yr 5m
---------------------
Now we have 25m left under cap and this is where it gets interesting.

ANyone ever told you that you stink at math? 

Cap is about 58 mil. 

Pierce (16., Rondo (11), Bradley (1.6), JJ (1.1), Steamer (1.1), Moore (762k) = 32.4 million

You just gave KG 8 mil and Ray 5 mil.  = 45.4 mil. 

You now have 12.6 mil in cap space.

Although that still actually would be enough money to swallow Ariza's contract... You're just saying goodbye to Brandon Bass, Jeff Green, Pietrus...

What I'm NOT sure about is whether that deal can be done on draft day.  Will Brandon Bass already be opted out of his 4.2 mil and will we have renounced the bird rights to KG, Ray, etc ?  Free agency happens AFTER the draft... so swallowing Ariza's contract isn't really possible.

Well i guess a minor in mathematics means nothing nowadays. What i was doing was giving round abouts because doing exact numbers was useless but as you see my main point was crossed. Butas we all know...everyone makes mistakes and i can easily see where mine was. 

[LooseCannon]

If we rebuild, we don't want KG or Ray back at any price, that's just how the business works. 

I disagree.  There's value in having KG around to serve as a role model for younger players.  To preserve cap flexibility, KG and Ray may be the guys who are willing to sign one-year deals.  I think Rondo will prove himself too good to let this team sink deep into the lottery, so tanking to get into position to draft a franchise player probably won't work unless Rondo is injured or you trade him for inferior talent (and tanking is a poor strategy to begin with).