Celtics could be dominant next season while rebuilding

[LarBrd33]

Re-signing our own players:

* We could manage that between trying to re-sign KG and Ray for the right money on one year deals & re-signing guys like Jeff Green, Bass, Pietrus to 2-3 year deals at the right money.

* Depending on how we're able to mange this money, we might still be able to sign one other significant player - I'm thinking a starting Center.

If you re-sign your own players, you no longer have cap room.  The most you can hope for is signing someone with the MLE.  If we renounce the rights to KG, Ray, Jeff Green, Bass, Pietrus, etc... we are left with roughly 25 mil in cap space.  That's it.  It doesn't go a long way.  You gave KG 12, Bass 6, Ray 5, Jeff Green 5 and Pietrus 2... that's 30 mil right there.  You're already 5 million over the cap.

[Celtics4ever]

I think we should draft bigs and roll with Rondo and Bradley.   PP is coming back.   Hopefully we get a stud with one of our picks.   Maybe resign KG as a C.

[bucknersrevenge]

Yeah, it's a nice dream but I don't think we in any way end up dominant. I could see KG resigning for about 12(if he even comes back) for a year. Maybe Camby or Kwame Brown might take a 1 year deal to play with the big 4 and play in the playoffs. Brown hasn't been in the playoffs since the '08 season so he might do it. Green might sign to come back on a 1 yr "prove you're healthy" deal and the rest are rookies and a vet free agent signed for the minimum like Stiemer again. We don't bring Ray back. We go younger and more athletic with someone in the draft.

My preference though is that we don't draft and bring in 4 rookies next season. That's not rebuilding. That's babysitting. Perhaps we can maybe package JJJ and a pick for another young player or pick next year or something.

[colincb]

I've got the OP roughly $1M over the cap at $71M for 15 players assuming Daniels, Dooling, JO, and Sasha are out and 2 first rounders and Green and Gray are in.  I do not think you get RA for $4-5 million, even with a hometown discount, given he is the best UFA SG.  It is a players' market this summer with not much UFA talent and tons of cap room from teams who pared salaries for the new CBA and Dwight Howard. Also think you need to do RA and KG for 2 years.

Start with $71M, subtract $8M for Green and Gray for the moment to bring it to $63M for 13 players then add $3M to Ray Allen ($7.5M annually for 2 years). Then you are at $66M.  This year we're at $79M and have spent more in the past.  I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players from:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

PP
KG
RA
RR
AB
BB
GS
MP (healthy)
CW (healthy)
----
9 rotation players
+1 rotation player from 2 firsts. EM, and JJJ
+2 FAs
----
12 Rotation players + 3 NDBL/inactives
===

I think you can actually contend with that budget and it fits the San Antonio model.

[LarBrd33]

I've got the OP roughly $1M over the cap at $71M for 15 players assuming Daniels, Dooling, JO, and Sasha are out and 2 first rounders and Green and Gray are in.  I do not think you get RA for $4-5 million, even with a hometown discount, given he is the best UFA SG.  It is a players' market this summer with not much UFA talent and tons of cap room from teams who pared salaries for the new CBA and Dwight Howard. Also think you need to do RA and KG for 2 years.

Start with $71M, subtract $8M for Green and Gray for the moment to bring it to $63M for 13 players then add $3M to Ray Allen ($7.5M annually for 2 years). Then you are at $66M.  This year we're at $79M and have spent more in the past.  I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players from:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

PP
KG
RA
RR
AB
BB
GS
MP (healthy)
CW (healthy)
----
9 rotation players
+1 rotation player from 2 firsts. EM, and JJJ
+2 FAs
----
12 Rotation players + 3 NDBL/inactives
===

I think you can actually contend with that budget and it fits the San Antonio model.

Salary cap is 58 mil.  You seem to be suggesting the salary cap is 79 mil when you say "I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players " ...   You're about 21 million dollars off.

[colincb]

I've got the OP roughly $1M over the cap at $71M for 15 players assuming Daniels, Dooling, JO, and Sasha are out and 2 first rounders and Green and Gray are in.  I do not think you get RA for $4-5 million, even with a hometown discount, given he is the best UFA SG.  It is a players' market this summer with not much UFA talent and tons of cap room from teams who pared salaries for the new CBA and Dwight Howard. Also think you need to do RA and KG for 2 years.

Start with $71M, subtract $8M for Green and Gray for the moment to bring it to $63M for 13 players then add $3M to Ray Allen ($7.5M annually for 2 years). Then you are at $66M.  This year we're at $79M and have spent more in the past.  I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players from:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

PP
KG
RA
RR
AB
BB
GS
MP (healthy)
CW (healthy)
----
9 rotation players
+1 rotation player from 2 firsts. EM, and JJJ
+2 FAs
----
12 Rotation players + 3 NDBL/inactives
===

I think you can actually contend with that budget and it fits the San Antonio model.

Salary cap is 58 mil.  You seem to be suggesting the salary cap is 79 mil when you say "I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players " ...   You're about 21 million dollars off.

$58M is the pro-rated cap. $70M+ is the cap. $79M+ is the Cs salary.

[LarBrd33]

I've got the OP roughly $1M over the cap at $71M for 15 players assuming Daniels, Dooling, JO, and Sasha are out and 2 first rounders and Green and Gray are in.  I do not think you get RA for $4-5 million, even with a hometown discount, given he is the best UFA SG.  It is a players' market this summer with not much UFA talent and tons of cap room from teams who pared salaries for the new CBA and Dwight Howard. Also think you need to do RA and KG for 2 years.

Start with $71M, subtract $8M for Green and Gray for the moment to bring it to $63M for 13 players then add $3M to Ray Allen ($7.5M annually for 2 years). Then you are at $66M.  This year we're at $79M and have spent more in the past.  I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players from:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2012-nba-free-agents

PP
KG
RA
RR
AB
BB
GS
MP (healthy)
CW (healthy)
----
9 rotation players
+1 rotation player from 2 firsts. EM, and JJJ
+2 FAs
----
12 Rotation players + 3 NDBL/inactives
===

I think you can actually contend with that budget and it fits the San Antonio model.

Salary cap is 58 mil.  You seem to be suggesting the salary cap is 79 mil when you say "I assume we'll spend roughly the same amount so that leaves $13M ($79M-$66M) to get one or two very good players " ...   You're about 21 million dollars off.

$58M is the pro-rated cap. $70M+ is the cap. $79M+ is the Cs salary.

"The 2009–10 salary cap was $57.7 million.[3] The salary cap for the 2010–2011 season is $58.044 million. Under the league's new CBA that was ratified in December 2011, ending the 2011 lockout, the cap will remain at its 2010–11 level for the 2011–12 season (though prorated for the shortened season), and will continue to vary based on league revenues."

58M is the salary cap.  $70M is us exceeding the cap to retain our own players.  $79M is us exceeding the cap to retain our own players.

Again... I'm confused by what you are saying.  Are you trying to suggest that if we got our cap down to 66m we'd have 13mil to sign free agents?  If so, you're wrong and don't understand how the salary cap works.  It's a "soft cap" in that you can exceed it to retain your own guys (if you hold their bird rights), but that's it.  In order to bring in free agents from other teams, we'd have to first get our cap situation below 58 million.  If we got it down to 50 mil we'd have 8 mil to sign a free agent, for example.  Again... stop me if I'm just confusing what you're saying.  This is pretty well-known stuff, but sometimes people come from the world of baseball and aren't familiar with the differences.  They see "79 mil" and assume that mean's its our budget

[OmarSekou]

I thought the title said: Celtics could be dominant next season while REBOUNDING

[arambone]

I thought it said "Celtics could be DORMANT next season while rebuilding."