when your window closes u trade 35 yr olds not 25 yr olds

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what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

rondo is simply to good a bargain to trade for maybe some draft picks who will pan out
I like the nba offensive game JJJ has shown already, green coming back, pp, 2 good draft picks and rondo.  If we can work a trade for a center this year great.  No reason to trade rondo unless its for a pg as good

[Who]

what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

I don't think Kaman gives the team a good enough upgrade (make them a contender) to make it worthwhile sacrificing a first round draft pick over.

Kaman for Ray would only be a lateral move (at best). One that costs Boston a first rounder.

If the Celtics were to trade Ray (for a big) and start Pietrus in Ray's stead, the team would need to find a quality backup wing to replace Pietrus' old role either in the deal for a big man or in a subsequent move. It would leave too big a hole on the wing otherwise. So any proposed deal along these lines would need a quality wing coming back to Boston too or an additional deal to be made to address it.

[Moranis]

what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

I don't think Kaman gives the team a good enough upgrade (make them a contender) to make it worthwhile sacrificing a first round draft pick over.

Kaman for Ray would only be a lateral move (at best). One that costs Boston a first rounder.

If the Celtics were to trade Ray (for a big) and start Pietrus in Ray's stead, the team would need to find a quality backup wing to replace Pietrus' old role either in the deal for a big man or in a subsequent move. It would leave too big a hole on the wing otherwise. So any proposed deal along these lines would need a quality wing coming back to Boston too or an additional deal to be made to address it.

Boston - C. Kaman, O. Mayo
New Orleans - J. O'neal, D. Arthur, J. Selby
Memphis - R. Allen, Bos 1st (lesser of the two)

[Who]

what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

I don't think Kaman gives the team a good enough upgrade (make them a contender) to make it worthwhile sacrificing a first round draft pick over.

Kaman for Ray would only be a lateral move (at best). One that costs Boston a first rounder.

If the Celtics were to trade Ray (for a big) and start Pietrus in Ray's stead, the team would need to find a quality backup wing to replace Pietrus' old role either in the deal for a big man or in a subsequent move. It would leave too big a hole on the wing otherwise. So any proposed deal along these lines would need a quality wing coming back to Boston too or an additional deal to be made to address it.

Boston - C. Kaman, O. Mayo
New Orleans - J. O'neal, D. Arthur, J. Selby
Memphis - R. Allen, Bos 1st (lesser of the two)

Yeah, something along those lines. I'm not particularly fond of OJ Mayo so my own interest in it isn't high but that type of trade package, yeah.

New Orleans, I think needs a little more incentive to part with Kaman. They'd probably need the first instead of Memphis. That would be a good return for Kaman. Probably a bit short without it.

PG - Rondo, Dooling, Bradley, Moore
SG - Pietrus, Mayo, Pavlovic
SF - Pierce, (Pietrus), Marquis
PF - Garnett, Bass, Wilcox
C  - Kaman, (Garnett), Stiemsma

[wdleehi]

If the team thinks the window is closed, I agree.



If the team thinks the window is still slightly open and the move can wedge it open much wider, I disagree. 



I think the Celtics believe they are the 2nd situation. 

[Moranis]

what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

I don't think Kaman gives the team a good enough upgrade (make them a contender) to make it worthwhile sacrificing a first round draft pick over.

Kaman for Ray would only be a lateral move (at best). One that costs Boston a first rounder.

If the Celtics were to trade Ray (for a big) and start Pietrus in Ray's stead, the team would need to find a quality backup wing to replace Pietrus' old role either in the deal for a big man or in a subsequent move. It would leave too big a hole on the wing otherwise. So any proposed deal along these lines would need a quality wing coming back to Boston too or an additional deal to be made to address it.

Boston - C. Kaman, O. Mayo
New Orleans - J. O'neal, D. Arthur, J. Selby
Memphis - R. Allen, Bos 1st (lesser of the two)

Yeah, something along those lines. I'm not particularly fond of OJ Mayo so my own interest in it isn't high but that type of trade package, yeah.

New Orleans, I think needs a little more incentive to part with Kaman. They'd probably need the first instead of Memphis. That would be a good return for Kaman. Probably a bit short without it.

Kaman is walking at the end of the year and they get a nice young big man in Arthur in the trade.  I can't see Memphis giving up both Mayo and Arthur for Ray Allen.  I think it will need a first to do it.

[Who]

what would it take to get kaman THIS year?  ray allen and a pick?

a true starting center completely changes the lineup, I'm fine with Pietrus starting as he is a physical defender who can hit the shots & run the floor

I don't think Kaman gives the team a good enough upgrade (make them a contender) to make it worthwhile sacrificing a first round draft pick over.

Kaman for Ray would only be a lateral move (at best). One that costs Boston a first rounder.

If the Celtics were to trade Ray (for a big) and start Pietrus in Ray's stead, the team would need to find a quality backup wing to replace Pietrus' old role either in the deal for a big man or in a subsequent move. It would leave too big a hole on the wing otherwise. So any proposed deal along these lines would need a quality wing coming back to Boston too or an additional deal to be made to address it.

Boston - C. Kaman, O. Mayo
New Orleans - J. O'neal, D. Arthur, J. Selby
Memphis - R. Allen, Bos 1st (lesser of the two)

Yeah, something along those lines. I'm not particularly fond of OJ Mayo so my own interest in it isn't high but that type of trade package, yeah.

New Orleans, I think needs a little more incentive to part with Kaman. They'd probably need the first instead of Memphis. That would be a good return for Kaman. Probably a bit short without it.

Kaman is walking at the end of the year and they get a nice young big man in Arthur in the trade.  I can't see Memphis giving up both Mayo and Arthur for Ray Allen.  I think it will need a first to do it.

Arthur would be a nice return if he was healthy but I don't think he is tempting enough when out injured for the rest of the year.

I think he's a free agent this summer also. Last year was his third season wasn't it? This year would have been his fourth. I think his contract is up. He'd be restricted but still a free agent.

Yeah, I am not sure about Memphis' willingness to do that deal without a first either. Could go either way. More likely against it than for it. It's a little tough to tell how much Memphis value Mayo (they do like Arthur though) + how close to a title they feel they are, how much they believe adding Ray could close that gap. More likely against than for it but maybe (small maybe) they'd roll the dice. 

[CoachBo]

You make trades to improve your team, period.  25 year olds aren't off-limits by any means.

If moving Rondo makes the team better in Danny's estimation, he'll do it.  If it won't, he won't.  The only player you can't necessarily say that about is Paul Pierce, where there may be outside considerations (loyalty, marketing, etc.)

Fascinating how many people demand that Danny think like a fan: "Keep my favorite player at whatever the cost."

Once again, Roy is right. Personally, I'm still pulling hard for the Gasol swap. We can find a capable point guard to play with Bradley.

[RajonRondo9Dime]

You make trades to improve your team, period.  25 year olds aren't off-limits by any means.

If moving Rondo makes the team better in Danny's estimation, he'll do it.  If it won't, he won't.  The only player you can't necessarily say that about is Paul Pierce, where there may be outside considerations (loyalty, marketing, etc.)

Fascinating how many people demand that Danny think like a fan: "Keep my favorite player at whatever the cost."

Once again, Roy is right. Personally, I'm still pulling hard for the Gasol swap. We can find a capable point guard to play with Bradley.

LA isn't a championship caliber team this year with Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum.. Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. makes you think we would be one with 3 old stooges and Gasol..?

[Who]

You make trades to improve your team, period.  25 year olds aren't off-limits by any means.

If moving Rondo makes the team better in Danny's estimation, he'll do it.  If it won't, he won't.  The only player you can't necessarily say that about is Paul Pierce, where there may be outside considerations (loyalty, marketing, etc.)

Fascinating how many people demand that Danny think like a fan: "Keep my favorite player at whatever the cost."

Once again, Roy is right. Personally, I'm still pulling hard for the Gasol swap. We can find a capable point guard to play with Bradley.

LA isn't a championship caliber team this year with Kobe, Gasol, and Bynum.. **** makes you think we would be one with 3 old stooges and Gasol..?

Lakers aren't a title contender because their supporting cast is too weak. Arguably the weakest team in the league, or at least the weakest in the playoffs, 4 through 10.

Their top three guys are certainly still capable of leading a team to a Championship. They just need better horses around them.