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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #150 on: February 07, 2012, 12:02:31 AM »

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I will say that before I say bad throw by Brady, I would like to know what the route was supposed to be.

Brady threw the ball over Welker's outside shoulder when there were clearly Giants safeties on his inside, though not that close.

Was Welker running a seam route or a fade. Should Welker have been turned the other way and fading on the route or running a straight post seam route which would necessitate him looking over his right shoulder rather than his left?

Much of what the Pats do is reading what the defense gives you and at times making the proper route adjustments. Was Welker supposed to adjust the route given no outside defender and safeties coming from the inside?

The only people who know for sure were in that huddle and the one taking the blame is Welker.

I will say though that there were too many pretty well thrown Brady passes that should have been caught. Welker should have had that, regardless of the difficulty. Hernandez dropped a simple one. Branch had one over the middle slightly behind that sailed right through his hands. I think I counted 4 drops in the fourth quarter by receivers. That can't happen.

That said I think Brady's under throwing a wide open Gronk that lead to an interception was the game. It was first down. He could have run it and slid for a three yard gain. Clock would still have been moving. Horrid decision there and on the first play of the game by the Pats killed their chances of winning.
Gotta say though, without those two errors, I thought Brady played great. I thought the defense played great. But in the fourth, game on the line, Manningham makes the spectacular catch and Pats receivers dropped balls.

The part in bold used to be what Eli was known for doing(and occasionally still can be).  Brady is sarting to earn a rep for doing that more lately.  While Eli is becoming known as "Mr Clutch".  Ironic.  Eli is at this moment at least his equal.

As far as the Welker pass, I have changed to think it is equally both their fault.  Brady needs to put the ball inside shoulder, regardless of route intended(Welker was obviously running a skinny post/seam-a catch would have been a TD).  Welker turned the wrong way to get the ball, thus losing his balance and not being able to secure a catch that hit his hands.  Both players needed to read and adjust to make the play.  Both got it wrong.  That happens, although it shouldn't.

Here's the thing though.  Brady is still 3-2.  He might now be definitively below Montana but still equal to Elway/Bradshaw/etc.., and still higher than either Manning.  That ain't too shabby.  Brady still has time to get back to Montana status.  And this is the most important part. I highly doubt he is done being an elite QB.

Edit:  This coming from a Giants fan.
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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #151 on: February 07, 2012, 12:07:40 AM »

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Ten pages of excuses cause a guy dropped a pass and thats why the Patriots lost? C'omon. Didnt the Giants make a few mistakes too - a couple of stupid penalties too? and still won the game? It takes a whole team to win and a whole team to lose.
Both teams made mistakes; dropped balls; but at the end, the Giants AGAIN beat the Patriots cause they are the better team; Brady is the best WQB in the league; but the Giants were a better team; more used to pressure; more used to the type of game that was played last night and thats why they won it.
 Stop beating on Welker. Blame the refs if you want to blame somebody, like we do when the celtics lose. We dont lose games; the refs take them away from us. ten pages of posting trying to blame Welker for the lost. Patriots lost cause the better team won. By the way, Im a Redskins fan: and I hate the Giants. But to Caesar what's Caesar's: Giants a re a [dang] good clutch team. Accept it and get on with your lives.

Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #152 on: February 07, 2012, 12:14:27 AM »

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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #153 on: February 07, 2012, 12:19:51 AM »

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I will say that before I say bad throw by Brady, I would like to know what the route was supposed to be.

Brady threw the ball over Welker's outside shoulder when there were clearly Giants safeties on his inside, though not that close.

Was Welker running a seam route or a fade. Should Welker have been turned the other way and fading on the route or running a straight post seam route which would necessitate him looking over his right shoulder rather than his left?

Much of what the Pats do is reading what the defense gives you and at times making the proper route adjustments. Was Welker supposed to adjust the route given no outside defender and safeties coming from the inside?

The only people who know for sure were in that huddle and the one taking the blame is Welker.

I will say though that there were too many pretty well thrown Brady passes that should have been caught. Welker should have had that, regardless of the difficulty. Hernandez dropped a simple one. Branch had one over the middle slightly behind that sailed right through his hands. I think I counted 4 drops in the fourth quarter by receivers. That can't happen.

That said I think Brady's under throwing a wide open Gronk that lead to an interception was the game. It was first down. He could have run it and slid for a three yard gain. Clock would still have been moving. Horrid decision there and on the first play of the game by the Pats killed their chances of winning.
Gotta say though, without those two errors, I thought Brady played great. I thought the defense played great. But in the fourth, game on the line, Manningham makes the spectacular catch and Pats receivers dropped balls.

The part in bold used to be what Eli was known for doing(and occasionally still can be).  Brady is sarting to earn a rep for doing that more lately.  While Eli is becoming known as "Mr Clutch".  Ironic.  Eli is at this moment at least his equal.

As far as the Welker pass, I have changed to think it is equally both their fault.  Brady needs to put the ball inside shoulder, regardless of route intended(Welker was obviously running a skinny post/seam-a catch would have been a TD).  Welker turned the wrong way to get the ball, thus losing his balance and not being able to secure a catch that hit his hands.  Both players needed to read and adjust to make the play.  Both got it wrong.  That happens, although it shouldn't.

Here's the thing though.  Brady is still 3-2.  He might now be definitively below Montana but still equal to Elway/Bradshaw/etc.., and still higher than either Manning.  That ain't too shabby.  Brady still has time to get back to Montana status.  And this is the most important part. I highly doubt he is done being an elite QB.

Edit:  This coming from a Giants fan.
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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #154 on: February 07, 2012, 12:29:35 AM »

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I will say that before I say bad throw by Brady, I would like to know what the route was supposed to be.

Brady threw the ball over Welker's outside shoulder when there were clearly Giants safeties on his inside, though not that close.

Was Welker running a seam route or a fade. Should Welker have been turned the other way and fading on the route or running a straight post seam route which would necessitate him looking over his right shoulder rather than his left?

Much of what the Pats do is reading what the defense gives you and at times making the proper route adjustments. Was Welker supposed to adjust the route given no outside defender and safeties coming from the inside?

The only people who know for sure were in that huddle and the one taking the blame is Welker.

I will say though that there were too many pretty well thrown Brady passes that should have been caught. Welker should have had that, regardless of the difficulty. Hernandez dropped a simple one. Branch had one over the middle slightly behind that sailed right through his hands. I think I counted 4 drops in the fourth quarter by receivers. That can't happen.

That said I think Brady's under throwing a wide open Gronk that lead to an interception was the game. It was first down. He could have run it and slid for a three yard gain. Clock would still have been moving. Horrid decision there and on the first play of the game by the Pats killed their chances of winning.
Gotta say though, without those two errors, I thought Brady played great. I thought the defense played great. But in the fourth, game on the line, Manningham makes the spectacular catch and Pats receivers dropped balls.

The part in bold used to be what Eli was known for doing(and occasionally still can be).  Brady is sarting to earn a rep for doing that more lately.  While Eli is becoming known as "Mr Clutch".  Ironic.  Eli is at this moment at least his equal.

As far as the Welker pass, I have changed to think it is equally both their fault.  Brady needs to put the ball inside shoulder, regardless of route intended(Welker was obviously running a skinny post/seam-a catch would have been a TD).  Welker turned the wrong way to get the ball, thus losing his balance and not being able to secure a catch that hit his hands.  Both players needed to read and adjust to make the play.  Both got it wrong.  That happens, although it shouldn't.

Here's the thing though.  Brady is still 3-2.  He might now be definitively below Montana but still equal to Elway/Bradshaw/etc.., and still higher than either Manning.  That ain't too shabby.  Brady still has time to get back to Montana status.  And this is the most important part. I highly doubt he is done being an elite QB.

Edit:  This coming from a Giants fan.
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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #155 on: February 07, 2012, 12:56:02 AM »

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Ten pages of excuses cause a guy dropped a pass and thats why the Patriots lost? C'omon. Didnt the Giants make a few mistakes too - a couple of stupid penalties too? and still won the game? It takes a whole team to win and a whole team to lose.
Both teams made mistakes; dropped balls; but at the end, the Giants AGAIN beat the Patriots cause they are the better team; Brady is the best WQB in the league; but the Giants were a better team; more used to pressure; more used to the type of game that was played last night and thats why they won it.
 Stop beating on Welker. Blame the refs if you want to blame somebody, like we do when the celtics lose. We dont lose games; the refs take them away from us. ten pages of posting trying to blame Welker for the lost. Patriots lost cause the better team won. By the way, Im a Redskins fan: and I hate the Giants. But to Caesar what's Caesar's: Giants a re a [dang] good clutch team. Accept it and get on with your lives.

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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #156 on: February 07, 2012, 12:56:10 AM »

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I love Welker, but I've seen too many pics with the ball in his hands. He has to catch that. I'm sorry.

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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #157 on: February 07, 2012, 12:56:24 AM »

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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #158 on: February 07, 2012, 02:04:33 AM »

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The truth is Tom Brady has been awful in the playoffs since Spygate fiasco. He came up small yet again tonight. But hey, Brady is Mr. Untouchable in Boston.

Edit: Keep it classy Boston. Scapegoating Welker is beneath you. When you know very well pass sailed on Brady. Welker is 5'8 not 6'4

This thread is ridiculous 4-5 posts in. Brady did nothing super bad aside from the intentional grounding. All I saw all game was receivers not making catches and getting open. If the giants lost, I'm sure eli would catch similar flak yet neither him or brady truly deserved it. Average game from both
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Re: so...safe to say Welker dropped the superbowl championship?
« Reply #159 on: February 08, 2012, 01:43:44 PM »

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