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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2011, 10:12:42 PM »

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More hustle and grit than Mikki; but too early to tell otherwise.
 

More bulk too. Stiemsma tilts'em at 260.

Much more of a defensive intimidator than Semih.

On O, he'll get his garbage baskets. Doc says that he has a good elbow jumper....

Here's hopin'!

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2011, 12:50:50 AM »

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This guy was the D league leader in blocks AND steals.
He was fourth in rebounding as well.

How many times have you seen him play?
Way too early to make a judgement on this kid.
We need someone who can clog up the lane- this guy could be exactly what we needed, someone like Pryzbilla to come in and rough people up.
He averaged 5 blocks a game and 2.5 steals.
That's potentially 7.5 possessions per game.
Semih was a terrible off the ball defender as well.
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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2011, 01:32:42 AM »

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I love the claims being made based on a single preseason game and a few practice reports on this board.

How about we give things some time before we make all these claims. There is literally nothing we can claim about this team right now, other than the big 3 is a year older.

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2011, 03:13:54 AM »

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I love the claims being made based on a single preseason game and a few practice reports on this board.

How about we give things some time before we make all these claims. There is literally nothing we can claim about this team right now, other than the big 3 is a year older.


Ehhh... technically, even if the number of age changed, they are not a year older than the end of last season b/c it hasn't been a year passed since then. Months older, for sure, a year, nope.
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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2011, 05:11:09 AM »

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If you were a defensive player of the year anywhere I'm a fan.


Big Mikki Moore fan, were you? ;)

I would have been if The C's had KG, Jermaine O'Neal, Brandon Bass and Chris Wilcox ahead of him... Scal and Big Baby? Not so much.

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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2011, 12:11:17 AM »

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Stiesma looked very good tonight, solid, good position, rebounding...I think he can work out fine. Erden had a lot of potential also, if he didn't get injured ealy he might have had a great year. He stll has potential, he just needs to get on the right team, one that will work it to him, and support him...but that is mostly the same for every player.

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2011, 12:15:16 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2011, 01:08:55 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.

Stiemsma is stronger in his lower body than Semih.  Plus, Semih got pushed around a bit more.  The guy still isn't healthy, and hasn't played any pre-season games with the Cavs.

Funny, but I'd actually take Stiemsma over Greg Kite and Joe Kleine, having witnessed both of them play a backup center role in the 80's and 90's.  I think Stiemsma can develop some low-post moves, he just needs more coaching.  But his ability to keep the ball high (something Perk could never do) and get off his feet VERY quick is a solid asset to his rebounding and shot-blocking.  I like the kid...

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2011, 07:23:48 AM »

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Stiemsma  is > than Erden from what we have seen so far.   Erden is not that good, period.

I honestly think the record bears that NCAA is better preparation for an NBA career than the Turkish teams.   Stiemsma has already faced more competition and better talent than Erden will ever face.  Erden could not even put up decent numbers in Cleveland off the bench last year playing 16 mpg.

I don't either of these guys will ever light it up on a big level both are career back ups.  Stiemsma  has been playing against a lot of second teams but Erden benefitted from playing with the big four.   Stiemsma has not got that chance yet but from what I have seen he would be superior to Erden in that role.   

The language barrier isn't an issue with Stiemsma either....

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2011, 08:46:01 AM »

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Stiemsma probably has any homesickness in check too.

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2011, 08:54:49 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.
He doesn't have refined post game, but he doesn't have to. If he can hit the elbow jumper wit regularity, play defense, and hustle up the floor he'll be just what Doc ordered :)
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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2011, 09:06:25 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.
He doesn't have refined post game, but he doesn't have to. If he can hit the elbow jumper wit regularity, play defense, and hustle up the floor he'll be just what Doc ordered :)

I disagree.  One thing that having Shaq showed, is that the team offense is way smoother with someone down low who can score and clean up in the post.  KG and PP will be shooting the elbow jumpers (or Bass when he's in).  To facilitate them being open, you need someone in post position.  If Stiesma is going to be bringing his man to the elbow it just makes it easier to double team our PFs.

I dont want to make the ability to hit a midrange sound like a bad thing, but I think a center with more traditional post play would complement our current PFs better.

Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #27 on: December 22, 2011, 09:33:11 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.
He doesn't have refined post game, but he doesn't have to. If he can hit the elbow jumper wit regularity, play defense, and hustle up the floor he'll be just what Doc ordered :)

I disagree.  One thing that having Shaq showed, is that the team offense is way smoother with someone down low who can score and clean up in the post.  KG and PP will be shooting the elbow jumpers (or Bass when he's in).  To facilitate them being open, you need someone in post position.  If Stiesma is going to be bringing his man to the elbow it just makes it easier to double team our PFs.

I dont want to make the ability to hit a midrange sound like a bad thing, but I think a center with more traditional post play would complement our current PFs better.
Yeah, but you're not going to find someone with Shaq's post game off the scrap heap. And the difference between someone with average post game and someone with bad to mediocre post game is negligible.
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Re: Greg Stiesma < Semih Erden (Open Discussion)
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2011, 11:06:08 AM »

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I still haven't seen a successful post move from stiesma.  I've seen dunks, but no fakes, up and unders, spin moves, etc.  Erden actually had moves.
He doesn't have refined post game, but he doesn't have to. If he can hit the elbow jumper wit regularity, play defense, and hustle up the floor he'll be just what Doc ordered :)

This^.

If Erden ever could stay healthy, I think he _could_ have been a better quality defender, but he just hasn't got there yet. 

It think it's pretty clear Stiemsma _IS_ a plus quality defender already.   He looks nearly as mobile as Semih ever did, but is clearly much stronger and he has a similar 'knack' for blocking and deviating shots.  That's not just a matter of being long.  It's a timing and instinct based skill - guys like Jermaine have it.  Stiemsma clearly has it.  He also showed last night that he's a good communicator on defense.  He was very vocal on the floor, even pointing and directing people already!   He's not a Mikki Moore who was athletic enough to play great 'man' defense but did not have the substance for being great on 'team' defense.

Offensively, I gotta admit that Semih looked to have much more potential as a scorer.  He had a very soft touch shot and a good spin move.  He was smooth.

But Stiemsma probably already provides more than the basic minimums we need from him on offense.  We know he can dunk & finish at the rim.  He has that nice, quick elbow jumper - that already puts him way ahead of where Perk was - and he can make free throws (which is always a great thing out of a big man).

All we need from our 5 is the _threat_ to do something on offense and that jumper and the ability to make foul shots means that Stiemsma can't be just ignored.  His defender can't just sag off him to double our other big.    With Perkins, it would drive me nuts how often his defender would basically leave him alone in order to double KG, knowing that if we did pass to Perkins he just could rush back and foul him - and Perk would miss the FTs.
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