Clippers, Warriors Preferred Trade Partners For Hornets ( c's get in on it?)

[pearljammer10]

i think there's more potential for a 3 team trade involving GS . . . they ship out Stephen Curry and get Rondo, NO gets Curry, the Celtics get Paul.

i think golden state would have to find somebody willing to trade for monta ellis, though, since rondo and ellis don't make much sense on the same team.

Ellis for Gay and filler would kind of make sense. I know memphis said they aren't trading Gay , but Ellis would be a good fit there. Plus they have TA and Henry and Young at SF already .

im not sure i see the motivation for that deal from the grizzlies' perspective, but i have to imagine that the warriors would go for it. 

Yeah terrible trade for the Grizzlies... They already have Conley, Mayo, TA, and Henry to fill the guard slots, Ellis wouldnt fit at all. Plus Gay fill the one need they were missing in the playoffs last year.

[BballTim]

I suspect thats what other GMs are thinking as well.  Rondo is a top 5 PG IN HIS CURRENT SYSTEM, but he's the type of specialized player that may be exposed and exploited outside of that system.  If you have a player whose skill set includes creating his own shot (especially in isolation), than his success is much more likely to carry over to his next team.

  Rondo's got great vision, a great understanding of the game, he's a great passer and can run an offense as well as anyone we'd be looking at replacing him with. He does fine paired with shooters, as you noticed. He'd also do great with faster, more athletic players who could run with him on the break. Oh, and guys that can finish those alley-oops, or hit the layups he sets up the big guys for would also work. Unfortunately for Rondo, players that can either get to the rim athletically or run on the break or shoot are hard to come by in the nba.

[BballTim]

Their lack of interest in Rondo is disappointing. Bad sign.

Yeah, I wonder how many GMs in the league would rather have Stephen Curry than Rondo.

Everyone seems to put him in the top 5 conversation...maybe NBA GM's dont have him that high?

rondo's value is very different for a team on the verge of contending that just needs a guy who can run the offense and create looks for everybody else than it is for a team that's looking to rebuild from the ground up. 

on a team with a lot of offensive weapons in place already, rondo's value is extremely high.  put rondo on a team like that and he can make everybody around him better and propel the team up through the ranks. 

a rebuilding team, however, is much more likely to value a player who can carry a large offensive load individually.  a rebuilding team with rondo as its only all-star caliber player, that expected rondo to be one of the top 3 options on offense, would have a rather bleak future unless they got really lucky in the draft and landed the next kevin durant.


that, by the way, is precisely the reason danny is looking to trade rondo.

  So Ainge's master plan is to trade Rondo for a better scoring pg and go into full rebuilding mode? All the talk about preserving cap space to try and land another star is some kind of charade?

his master plan is to trade for chris paul and have one last shot at a title with chris paul in what is likely to be the last year of his current deal.


after that, if cp3 resigns with us, we will have the cap space to put pieces around him -- perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard.  if cp3 bolts, we go right into rebuilding mode and instead of maintaining mediocrity for a few years with rondo, we go straight to rock bottom.

makes a heck of a lot of sense to me.

 In 2006-2007 almost everybody here knew that Danny's master plan was to let Theo play out his contract and come off the books. If you have something like a link to Danny saying this was his plan that would be great, or maybe he told you in person, otherwise this isn't Danny's master plan, it's your idle speculation based on a few rumors.

woo!  you got me!  i don't actually know his master plan.


that, in my opinion, is simply the most reasonable inference -- label it idle speculation if you want -- one can make from danny's [alleged] efforts to trade rondo for chris paul.

of course you are free to make of it what you will.

  No, you're right. Danny's clearly trying to trade Rondo for Paul so we can go into full rebuilding mode with CP3 as the only all-star on the team, assuming Chris doesn't bolt at the end of the year. That's the only plan Danny could have going forward that fits with rumors that he looked into acquiring Paul. I guess we're lucky neither of the Ray Allen trades worked out in 2009, or else instead of CP3 we'd be rebuilding around Kevin Martin or Antawn Jamison.

tim, you love putting words in my mouth.

when did i say that danny is trying to trade rondo for paul so we can rebuild with cp3 as the only all-star on the team?  when i said "put pieces around him, perhaps even the long shot, dwight howard," did you assume i meant danny would go out to the dollar store and pick up some bobble-heads?

of course the idea if we got paul would be to put as much talent around him as we could as soon as possible.  dwight howard, though, would not be guaranteed even if we got paul. that doesn't mean we couldn't build a contender around him within a season or two with the right moves, though.

  Sorry, I must have jumped to conclusions. So, if we trade for Paul, we surround him with talent as soon as possible, but if Danny keeps Rondo he goes with the bobbleheads?

  And with a few moves Danny could put a contender around Rondo as well. Look at the 2009 team we had.  A big man rotation of basically Perk, Baby and Scal and the backup 1-2-3 spots manned by Starbury and Eddie House and they came pretty close to making the conference finals. I think they also won roughly 2/3 of their games during the season after KG went out. So, a little more talent than that seems to be all you'd need.

[PosImpos]

  And with a few moves Danny could put a contender around Rondo as well.

Here, I think, is the root of our disagreement, and why, it seems, we will just have to agree to disagree.

[action781]

Clippers would seem like a great destination for Rondo... great fit alongside Gordon and Blake.  I don't see our 2 teams combined having enough additional assets to please NO enough to make a deal.  Building off of the OP...

BOS trades: Rondo, J. Green, Bradley, Glen Davis, LAC draft pick, '14 first rounder
BOS gets: CP, Ariza

LAC trades: Kaman, Jordan, Aminu, Bledsoe
LAC gets: Rondo, Okafor

NO trades: CP, Ariza, Okafor
NO gets: Jordan, Aminu, Jeff Green, Bradley, Glen Davis, Bledsoe, 2 first round picks

BYC might make this difficult...?  I'm not exactly sure the rules on these kind of trades with newly signed players.  Pretty sure you can't s&t players in package deals, right?

Thoughts?  NO gets to dump 2 crappy contracts in this deal.  Very less than ideal for Boston to have to take on Ariza and hurt cap space, but he could be a very valuable player here as a 6th man and we'd likely have to pay Jeff Green similar $ or let him walk anyways.