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Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2011, 10:35:03 PM »

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I guess with rondo for me It comes down to this; we got super lucky to draft him, he's devoted to the team, and he's our guy. But, I don't think he's as good as Chris Paul or deron williams


u dont play much ball..rec...blacktop..etc..

way better players than rondo in the hood..

and luck was on rondo side..

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Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2011, 11:15:03 PM »

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Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2011, 09:19:38 AM »

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For all of you saying how Rondo is behind Deron Williams only because of scoring, your all idiots. The PG is supposed to make the offense work, not be the offense solely. D-Will is a great scorer i understand, but Rondo is the better/smarter pointguard in that situation. PLUS, Rondo racks up more rebounds and plays WAY better defense than D-Will ever will/can and, in the long run, isn't that better than having a scoring pointguard? And look at all the great championship teams out there with an amazing scoring pointguard compared to the true pointguard led teams.. More of those second type of teams, right?

My whole point is that D.WILLIAMS IS A TRUE POINTGUARD.

You decided that Rondo is the smarter and better pointguard there's no real way to support your claim. Williams has been averaging 9+ assists since his sophmore year minus the help of 3 Hall of famers. He gets slapped with the scoring label as a knock so that people can say "he's good but Rondos better cuz he's a true point". If your going to call him a scoring point might as well call Paul one two he averages almost identical numbers career wise, more points actually. Btw, other than 6'9 freak pointguard magic and Cousy who played on the Russel lead Celtics what pass first pointguards have lead their teams to championships? Scoring pointguard or pointguards capable of leading their teams are much easier to list.



Your right, Williams never played with 3 other HOF like rondo does.. but that doesnt make it easier to get assists. all three of them are past their primes anyways so it's not like its that much of an unfair advantage. fact is, he still gets the dimes. and if it wasnt for his injury/trade of perkins, rondo wouldve easily been a 12+ assist guy this year. he just slowed a bit. and williams is a scoring pointguard who was lucky enough to have Boozer, AK47, and the three point machine of kyle korver on his team. all of them are good spot up shooters that definitely help the assist column. OH! and as for the pass first PGs.. other than magic and couz...
1)Stockton 2) Jason Kidd 3) Isaiah Thomas 4) Chauncey Billups 5)Tony Parker 6) even Steve Nash could be put here even though he was unfairly cheated out of his Finals appearance from the Spurs..


1) Stockton didn't win a championship
2) Kidd luckily won one in the twilight of his career
3) Thomas is a good example
4) Chauncey is not a pass first point guard

5) Parker is not a pass first point guard
6) Nash hasn't won either

Not sure I see where you're going with this argument

Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2011, 01:46:50 PM »

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 And of course he's never had an entire year when he played at the level he did the first two months of the season, his game improved significantly last year.

His game improved for what, less than a quarter of a season (19 total games played before his injury)? After which he played 48 pretty wildly inconsistent games over the course of 4 months?

While I won't dispute the near-MVP level of play Rondo showed for the first 20 games he played this season, I do think that the next 48 games he played showed that maybe that was a hot streak, rather than an indicator of a baseline that he's capable of right now.

  By the way, I just thought I'd add a little historical perspective to Rondo's "hot streak". In those 19 games he had 8 games of 15 or more assists. Since 1985 there are only about 23 guys that have had that many 15+ assist games in an entire season (I'm talking number of players that did this, players like Stockton and Magic did it multiple times). If you extrapolate Rondo's numbers to a half a season you'd get 17 games of 15+ assists. Only 6 players have had that many in an entire season in the last 25 years. He had 5 games of 17+ assists in those 19 games, only 6 players have had more than 7 such games in a season in those 25 years. So his "hot streak" was playing on a level that very few point guards in the history of the game are capable of ever reaching.

  For more perspective, I looked at the leaders for games with 15+ assists in a season and compared it to scoring and rebounding. 15+ assist games look like they're about as common (for the leaders, again) as 36 point or 18 rebound games. So imagine a player that scored 36 or more 8 times in 19 games and averaged 33 points in that time or had 18 or more rebounds 8 times in 19 games and averaged 16 boards a game for that time, and then struggled with injuries for the rest of the season. What would you say was the scoring/rebounding baselines for those players?

  Also, consider that, in spite of the fact that he struggled with injuries for most of the season, he averaged 11.2 assists with an assist% of 47 or so.  If you check players that have played most of a season and done either of these you're looking at a dozen or so people ever. Back to the points/rebound comparisons, this happens as often as someone averages about 31 ppg or 17 boards. So if you had a player that struggled with injuries and still averaged 31 a game or 17 boards a game, what would you say about the baseline for what they're capable of playing? Because that's where Rondo is with his passing.

 

Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #64 on: September 16, 2011, 09:47:47 PM »

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Don't kno why you bother posting this too many rondo haters on here.. dude can put up 20 more triple doubles and eveyone still guna say he sucks or its Cuz of the big 3 its crazy.. cuz that same big 3 are the ones that trust rondo with the ball and let him run the show.  3 future hall of famers trust (some bum who can't shoot) with the ball.  he must really suck ???

Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #65 on: September 16, 2011, 10:02:21 PM »

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I guess nobody else remembers the plantar fasciitis that Rondo was battling through all season long.  

  It's just another sign of his inconsistency and mental instability.


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Re: Rondo= Best PG today
« Reply #66 on: September 17, 2011, 01:49:54 AM »

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