I hate to admit it but getting Howard means trading Rondo for Chris Paul

[Roy H.]

Paul is a great player.   But I for one don't think people are ever the same after a bad knee injury. 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul

http://www.hoopsnotes.com/teams/neworleans/paul-similar-knee-problems-than-roy/

Talent wise he is a better talent than Rondo.  But has anyone ever maintained the same level of play following a major knee injury.  Please don't bring up Tony Allen he is hurt every two years either and lost a lot of his explosiveness.   When little guys lose speed it's the worst too.

The knee injuries are a concern, but that "CP3 = Brandon Roy" argument got blown wildly out of proportion, started by an idiotic statement from John Hollinger.

Paul and Roy both had meniscus removed from their knee, but from what I can find on the internet, CP3 had a partial removal in one knee.  Roy had all of it removed from both knees.  That's a pretty major difference in severity.

[throwedoff]

Lol this thread is still up?? man nobody is gonna trade Chris Paul for Rondo, its a reason why you only see this trade proposal on this site delusional dreams at its finest, I for one will be stunned if this went through. Paul is better then Rondo by a lot IMO Rondo is benefited a lot by the Big 3 it'll get exposed more when they retire

[nickagneta]

Lol this thread is still up?? man nobody is gonna trade Chris Paul for Rondo, its a reason why you only see this trade proposal on this site delusional dreams at its finest, I for one will be stunned if this went through. Paul is better then Rondo by a lot IMO Rondo is benefited a lot by the Big 3 it'll get exposed more when they retire

I don't think its such a crazy proposal. The league now is running the Hornets. They collectively know that Chris Paul is gone at the end of next year and won't resign in New Orleans. If they have to get something for him come the trade deadline this year rather than just losing him and getting nothing(ala Toronto with Bosh and Cleveland with LeBron), there are not going to be many trade proposals that in return for Paul get them a PG the quality of Rondo, signed long term to a friendly contract and some first round draft picks out there.

[throwedoff]

Lol this thread is still up?? man nobody is gonna trade Chris Paul for Rondo, its a reason why you only see this trade proposal on this site delusional dreams at its finest, I for one will be stunned if this went through. Paul is better then Rondo by a lot IMO Rondo is benefited a lot by the Big 3 it'll get exposed more when they retire

I don't think its such a crazy proposal. The league now is running the Hornets. They collectively know that Chris Paul is gone at the end of next year and won't resign in New Orleans. If they have to get something for him come the trade deadline this year rather than just losing him and getting nothing(ala Toronto with Bosh and Cleveland with LeBron), there are not going to be many trade proposals that in return for Paul get them a PG the quality of Rondo, signed long term to a friendly contract and some first round draft picks out there.

I'd be more then happy if the Hornets did this trade but once again I highly doubt it

[Mike-Dub]

Lol this thread is still up?? man nobody is gonna trade Chris Paul for Rondo, its a reason why you only see this trade proposal on this site delusional dreams at its finest, I for one will be stunned if this went through. Paul is better then Rondo by a lot IMO Rondo is benefited a lot by the Big 3 it'll get exposed more when they retire

I don't think its such a crazy proposal. The league now is running the Hornets. They collectively know that Chris Paul is gone at the end of next year and won't resign in New Orleans. If they have to get something for him come the trade deadline this year rather than just losing him and getting nothing(ala Toronto with Bosh and Cleveland with LeBron), there are not going to be many trade proposals that in return for Paul get them a PG the quality of Rondo, signed long term to a friendly contract and some first round draft picks out there.

The only reason it could end up not being realistic is because the league is running the Hornets... and that may cause other teams to be questionable over it.

[chambers]

Lol this thread is still up?? man nobody is gonna trade Chris Paul for Rondo, its a reason why you only see this trade proposal on this site delusional dreams at its finest, I for one will be stunned if this went through. Paul is better then Rondo by a lot IMO Rondo is benefited a lot by the Big 3 it'll get exposed more when they retire

That's wrong.
Rondo is locked into a decent length contract. If CP3 wants to walk, the hornets will try and get something for him. Rondo can't just walk away from the Hornets.
What teams can offer a young, talented and experienced top 5 PG in the league for a guy who's going to walk anyway?
The Celtics can.

[Celtics4ever]

I recall the shock when Red traded Cedric Maxwell but even Red was leery of knees, I guess.

Rondo has definitely benefited from the Big Three.  Half your passes to them would yield an assist almost.

[Tai]

Did you see him destroy the Lakers single handed this year?
Was that not good enough a 'return to form'?
the guy is a monster on offense and defense.

  I saw him destroy the Lakers in a couple of games and look less spectacular in their 4 losses. But I guess a good 4-5 game stretch is all the proof anyone should need that he's fully recovered...

That's a fair enough point, but I could list more than 4 or 5 games in one playoff series where he killed everyone.
Here's a question:
do you think that NBA GM's would worry about his knee in any sort of trade where they could acquire him?

I know the answer.

  Ok, I'll bite. CP3's about a year and a half away from a knee injury, his numbers were significantly worse last year than his pre-injury numbers and many descriptions of his knee use the phrase bone on bone. Would GMs worry about his knee at all?

Would they worry about it?  Yes.

Would they still jump at a chance to acquire him for anything less than a superstar?

Absolutely.

  I think you'd have to have a fairly loose definition of a superstar for this to be true.

??


Every NBA player, talking head, GM, most fans, coaches...

Have talked about Paul as a superstar in the NBA.

  Three years ago he was a MVP candidate in the argument for the best player in the game. Last year he was 3rd team all-nba. The list of players that you'd trade for 10-11 CP3 would be shorter than the list that you'd trade for 08-09 CP3, don't you think?

He's still a superstar and a top 3 PG in the league.

Making the All-NBA 3rd team with a stat line of 15.8 ppg 9.8 ast 4.1 rpg & 2.4 stls isn't exactly a huge detriment given the seasons put up by the guards ahead of him in '10-11.

  I'll stick with my earlier statement. Sometimes people refer to the top 3-4 players in the league as superstars, sometimes people refer top the top 15 or so players. You'd need to be talking about the latter for this discussion.

I wish you had simply admitted from the start that you don't think of Chris Paul as a superstar instead of going out of your way to make Rondo look better than he really is. I honestly feel like you back tracked now and are trying to change the goal posts of the argument.

[Chris]

Did you see him destroy the Lakers single handed this year?
Was that not good enough a 'return to form'?
the guy is a monster on offense and defense.

  I saw him destroy the Lakers in a couple of games and look less spectacular in their 4 losses. But I guess a good 4-5 game stretch is all the proof anyone should need that he's fully recovered...

That's a fair enough point, but I could list more than 4 or 5 games in one playoff series where he killed everyone.
Here's a question:
do you think that NBA GM's would worry about his knee in any sort of trade where they could acquire him?

I know the answer.

  Ok, I'll bite. CP3's about a year and a half away from a knee injury, his numbers were significantly worse last year than his pre-injury numbers and many descriptions of his knee use the phrase bone on bone. Would GMs worry about his knee at all?

Would they worry about it?  Yes.

Would they still jump at a chance to acquire him for anything less than a superstar?

Absolutely.

  I think you'd have to have a fairly loose definition of a superstar for this to be true.

??


Every NBA player, talking head, GM, most fans, coaches...

Have talked about Paul as a superstar in the NBA.

  Three years ago he was a MVP candidate in the argument for the best player in the game. Last year he was 3rd team all-nba. The list of players that you'd trade for 10-11 CP3 would be shorter than the list that you'd trade for 08-09 CP3, don't you think?

He's still a superstar and a top 3 PG in the league.

Making the All-NBA 3rd team with a stat line of 15.8 ppg 9.8 ast 4.1 rpg & 2.4 stls isn't exactly a huge detriment given the seasons put up by the guards ahead of him in '10-11.

  I'll stick with my earlier statement. Sometimes people refer to the top 3-4 players in the league as superstars, sometimes people refer top the top 15 or so players. You'd need to be talking about the latter for this discussion.

I would say that he is a superstar who has been rehabbing from an injury.  I don't think he has lost his superstar status yet, but another subpar season, where he continues to lack the explosiveness he had prior to the injury, then I would knock him down.

When healthy, Paul is right up there with Lebron, Kobe, and Wade.  However, when he is hurt, he is knocked down a peg. 

The other thing is that he did regain his superstar form in the playoffs last year.  He singlehandedly led a VERY mediocre team to a couple wins, and played the best he has played in about 2 years.  That was enough for me to give him another year to regain his superstar status post injury, before knocking him off the pedestal.

[Celtics4ever]

I love Rondo but Paul if healthy is the better player.   I would not do this however, without a stressful health physical that was vigorous to say the least.  Maybe even a few days worth, lol.