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How much are the Celtic free agents worth?
« on: May 12, 2011, 06:12:19 PM »

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How much are you willing to pay the free agents on the team?

And of course as time passes this summer, y'all are free to change your minds. Its kinda fun to get a reaction so close to the last game...

Bear in mind that contracts that run more than 1 year will severely hamper the Celtics ability to be free agency players in 2012. Based on Doc's comments today, i believe that they will go after faster younger players, which will require contracts beyond 1 year.... 2012 be [dang]ed.

My thoughts:

Jeff Green - 7 million per year for 4 or 5 years, just a few hundred K above the MLE per year. He is a starting quality SF, young, versatile and athletic. I think he is a top 20 SF in the NBA.

Glen Davis - 4 million for 1 year. I don't think he has a future on this team once the big 3 era fades. I think he's a goner.

Delonte West - I'd try like heck to get him to accept the LLE for 2 years ($2 million per year). If that doesn't get it done, I'd first explore the top free agents with the MLE. If that fails, I'd give West $3 million per year for 4 years. He is an effective combo guard. And like Jeff Green, I'd like to see what he can do over the course of a full (healthy) year.

Krstic - centers are the most expensive position. I'd pay him $4 million per for 3 years. If Shaq and JO retire, the Celtics will need bodies at the 5 quickly. Even then the C's will need to find another body.

Wafer, Pavlovic and Murphy are still only worth the minimum. Wafer is the most appealing of the 3.



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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 06:36:28 PM »

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I'm surprised. No opinions? Not even on Jeff Green? Perhaps its too soon to talk price tags.

Re: How much are the Celtic free agents worth?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 06:40:54 PM »

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I offer Green his QO of $5.9 mil.

I'd consider extending Davis for another year. But mainly to use him as an expiring contract to address roster needs towards the trade deadline.

I'd certainly bring West back. If he wants more than the LLE, though, I'd have to think twice. The MLE may need to be preserved for a quality free agent.

Krstic? I like him as a backup or 3rd string big. Not as the starting center. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.
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Re: How much are the Celtic free agents worth?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 06:42:36 PM »

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I offer Green his QO of $5.9 mil.

I'd consider extending Davis for another year. But mainly to use him as an expiring contract to address roster needs towards the trade deadline.

I'd certainly bring West back. If he wants more than the LLE, though, I'd have to think twice. The MLE may need to be preserved for a quality free agent.

Krstic? I like him as a backup or 3rd string big. Not as the starting center. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

With Jeff Green, if someone offers the MLE for 5 years, do you match? What is your limit?

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 06:46:47 PM »

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I offer Green his QO of $5.9 mil.

I'd consider extending Davis for another year. But mainly to use him as an expiring contract to address roster needs towards the trade deadline.

I'd certainly bring West back. If he wants more than the LLE, though, I'd have to think twice. The MLE may need to be preserved for a quality free agent.

Krstic? I like him as a backup or 3rd string big. Not as the starting center. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

With Jeff Green, if someone offers the MLE for 5 years, do you match? What is your limit?
Why would he sign an offer sheet for the MLE when he can play out the year and in the worst case, get the same offer as a FA?
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 06:50:00 PM »

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I offer Green his QO of $5.9 mil.

I'd consider extending Davis for another year. But mainly to use him as an expiring contract to address roster needs towards the trade deadline.

I'd certainly bring West back. If he wants more than the LLE, though, I'd have to think twice. The MLE may need to be preserved for a quality free agent.

Krstic? I like him as a backup or 3rd string big. Not as the starting center. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

With Jeff Green, if someone offers the MLE for 5 years, do you match? What is your limit?
Why would he sign an offer sheet for the MLE when he can play out the year and in the worst case, get the same offer as a FA?

true, there is a very good chance he plays out the single year offer. But i wouldn't be surprised to see him take the money, considering how his stock dropped.

He could also take a 3 year MLE deal with an opt out after 2. That gives him guaranteed money and lots of control.

Anyway, there is a chance he signs an offer elsewhere. What are you willing to match?

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 06:53:01 PM »

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I offer Green his QO of $5.9 mil.

I'd consider extending Davis for another year. But mainly to use him as an expiring contract to address roster needs towards the trade deadline.

I'd certainly bring West back. If he wants more than the LLE, though, I'd have to think twice. The MLE may need to be preserved for a quality free agent.

Krstic? I like him as a backup or 3rd string big. Not as the starting center. Beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

With Jeff Green, if someone offers the MLE for 5 years, do you match? What is your limit?

I offer him the QO. That would require another team to offer a deal that begins at more than $6 mil for the first year.

Chances are $6 mil > MLE under the new CBA, meaning that only a team with cap space could make that kind of offer.

I'd think hard about matching an offer north of $6 mil. It would depend on the total dollars and the years.

Tendering Green a QO would maintain the 2012 cap space situation. Signing him to a multi-year deal this year would need to be carefully considered.
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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 07:04:55 PM »

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I offer him the QO. That would require another team to offer a deal that begins at more than $6 mil for the first year.

Chances are $6 mil > MLE under the new CBA, meaning that only a team with cap space could make that kind of offer.

That's assuming that Green wants to maximize his first year salary, rather than getting long term security.  The MLE usually ends up around 5 years, $35 million.  If another team offers that, Green may prefer it to a one year $5.9 million deal, even if he's making less than $5.9 million in year one.

The question for us is whether we'd match.  I probably would go up to the MLE, but not much higher.


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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 07:05:30 PM »

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The guy I'm kind of curious about is Troy Murphy.  If he's healthy next year, he could be a very good BBD replacement.


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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 07:09:24 PM »

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I offer him the QO. That would require another team to offer a deal that begins at more than $6 mil for the first year.

Chances are $6 mil > MLE under the new CBA, meaning that only a team with cap space could make that kind of offer.

That's assuming that Green wants to maximize his first year salary, rather than getting long term security.  The MLE usually ends up around 5 years, $35 million.  If another team offers that, Green may prefer it to a one year $5.9 million deal, even if he's making less than $5.9 million in year one.

True. But doesn't the QO mandate that other suitors beat that $5.9 mil in the first year of the contract offer?

In other words, regardless of what Green wants, the QO should keep him around, unless a cap-space team makes him a big offer.
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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 07:14:47 PM »

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I offer him the QO. That would require another team to offer a deal that begins at more than $6 mil for the first year.

Chances are $6 mil > MLE under the new CBA, meaning that only a team with cap space could make that kind of offer.

That's assuming that Green wants to maximize his first year salary, rather than getting long term security.  The MLE usually ends up around 5 years, $35 million.  If another team offers that, Green may prefer it to a one year $5.9 million deal, even if he's making less than $5.9 million in year one.

True. But doesn't the QO mandate that other suitors beat that $5.9 mil in the first year of the contract offer?

In other words, regardless of what Green wants, the QO should keep him around, unless a cap-space team makes him a big offer.

No, there's no rule like that that I'm aware of.


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