Would "The Trade" Have Happened If Daniels Didn't Get Hurt?

[Lord_of_the17Rings]

. . . most NBA GMs would say that Green is by far the better value.

Link?

An assumption. I can't seem to find the NBA.com preseason survey of "Who would you rather have, Kendrick Perkins or Jeff Green, assuming that free agency and the surrounding makeup of your team isn't a factor?"
 

I think that was Roy's point.  You've stated this as fact when there does not appear to be any evidence to support this.  You've since said it was an assumption, so it's just your style of
stating opinion. Just always good to have specific evidence, data, transcripts, etc if you do phrase something as fact.
yours

[Lord_of_the17Rings]

Sorry for the sloppy post. Having trouble editing from my phone. Probably just getting too late.

[get_banners]

ironically, it was perk's injury that started this whole cascade. if perk doesn't tear his knee, we maybe win a title, but more certainly, we don't sign JO and instead target a better 3 to back-up pierce (instead of daniels) with the MLE. if we have a better 3 than daniels, we don't need to trade perk for green. of course, we can keep going backwards in this game. but yeah, daniels' injury basically changed the course of the season, necessitating the trade for green. and perk's injury last year changed the course of our offseason, necessitating signing JO for the MLE. it has been a series of unfortunate events, sadly (though i still think the perk trade can and will work out for us this year, and don't really think it is responsible for our current skid).

[LooseCannon]

Actually, if Perk doesn't get injured, I think we get a sequence like:

Ainge: What will it cost to sign you?  We can only give you this much for an extension, but if you promise not to negotiate with other teams, we can agree to a contract that we will sign you to using your Bird rights.  Well, unless the CBA changes everything and we get a hard cap.
Perk: I want to test the market to establish my value, but I'll give you a chance to match.

*Ainge consults his rolodex, seeking to trade Perkins*

Ainge ends up trading Perkins to OKC for Jeff Green (who he has always wanted...and Ainge tends to be mentally locked onto players for several years) and the rights to Cole Aldrich.  He still uses the Celtics' own first-round pick on the guy he coveted all along, Avery Bradley.  Since Green can play power forward, Ainge doesn't draft Harangody in the second round.  He considers Willie Warren, Sylvan Landesberg, Derrick Caracter, but decides he wants a mature guard taller than Avery Bradley, preferably one who played four years of college, who has a chance of contributing immediately as a 10th or 11th man.  He ends up drafting someone like Gonzaga's Matt Bouldin, Duke's Jon Sheyer, Harvard's Jeremy Lin

With Green as the back-up three, Ainge and Marquis Daniels decide to see other people.  Ainge does, however, bring back Nate Robinson.  Ainge still uses the MLE on Jermaine O'Neal, with Shaq successfully lobbying for a spot on the roster.  Having Aldrich to develop, Ainge lets Erden stay in Turkey. 

This gives the Celtics a roster of Rondo, KG, PP, RA, O'Neal, O'Neal, Glen Davis, Green, Aldrich, Bradley, second-round guard, NateRob.  The Celtics still pick up Von Wafer and Delonte West, as Ainge wants some experienced players ahead of his two rookie guards.  Deciding that another big is more important than having someone other than Von Wafer as the third-string small forward, Ainge picks Chris Johnson over Stephane Lasme, Tiny Gallon, and Mario West as the winner of the final roster spot.

With a couple of banged up O'Neals, a guard gets waived as soon as a viable experienced big that Ainge likes appears on the market.

[wdleehi]

I am going to say no. 



Ainge looks does the Clev. deal to create roster spots.

He likely moves Nate to GS. 


Looks to add FA. 

[Tai]

More importantly though, I absolutely do not think he is a below average defender or passer.

Without going point by point, Chris, in what regard is Green anything but a below average passer?  

In his ability to see passing lanes, make the correct pass, and put it where it needs to be.  

He is by no means a playmaker.  He is not going to create off the dribble to create shots for other players.  But he always makes the correct pass, at the correct time, and has very good vision.  And that has always been the case going back to college, when the princeton offense was run through him.  

I am curious why you think he is a poor passer?  Just because he doesn't get a lot of assists?  Because assists are not necessarily reflective of good or bad passers.

Yes, exactly.  If Green was a good passer, I would imagine he'd rank somewhere higher than near the bottom of the league in assists for small forwards.

To be fair, Green is actually averaging more assists than Daniels this season (1.5 to 1.3), but Daniels has a better career average (1.9 to 1.7).

[Who]

Jeff Green was an excellent passing forward in college.

In the NBA, he is fairly close to average ... mainly because of his passive play ... I'd consider him similar to a guy like an Anthony Parker. Makes good decisions, accurate passer and seems to execute offensive plays well. Good range in his passing too.

I think he's a guy who could become similar to a Tayshaun Prince level ball-handler/passer if Jeff Green played in an expanded role offensively (similar to Prince's).

[slamtheking]

The short and sweet answer is: no.

The Daniels injury is the last straw that moves Danny to make those deals.  Danny probably would have done something to make room to possibly still sign Murphy as an extra big (the injuries to all the bigs would have still happened) like move Nate and/or Luke which would give us Perk as our starting center right now instead of Krstic and a belief that this team will get to the championship.

[LooseCannon]

It occurs to me that, if Anderson Varejao hadn't been injured, Ainge might have tried to trade Perk for him even if Daniels had not been injured.

[wdleehi]

It occurs to me that, if Anderson Varejao hadn't been injured, Ainge might have tried to trade Perk for him even if Daniels had not been injured.

I believe he was the target for the Thunder before he was injured.