Minny Cleveland Trade Idea

[wiley]

real gm:  Trade ID #5754247

Minny and Cleveland could make good trade partners.  One team is loaded with non-star veterans who know how to win, or at least have playoff experience, and the other is loaded with young talent who will win nothing until they add some veterans who can play a bit of D, even if it's off the bench.  

Cleveland gets Beasley, Flynn and Lazar Haywood

Minny gets Parker, Moon, Powe and Cleveland's own 2011#1 pick, should be 7-12 range...

For Minny:  Milicic is playing well at center, having his best year, and Love is off the charts right now.  Wes. Johnson will make a nice starting SF, with Brewer at SG and Minny's own 1st rounder, hopefully grabbing Kyrie Irving (Ridnour off bench when Irving ready...Rubio traded)

Future:  Irving, Brewer, Johnson, Love, Milicic
Ridnour, Ellington, Parker/Moon, Powe, Cleveland draft pick, etc.......

Cleveland gets a bit of hope and some needed scoring in Beasley, and can trade Mo Williams for a SG.

Flynn, Harris, Beasley, Hickson, Varejao......

Cleveland then starts the rebuilding process in earnest.  If they signed an excellent SG they'd have a good starting lineup.


(Powe started last night and had a really nice game.....if he can stay healthy he'd be a great bench energizer for Minny....but Parker, Moon and the pick are the less risky acquistions...if they pick well, that is....)

[Who]

Michael Beasley hasn't proven himself able to play the small forward position. He is still getting outplayed on a regular basis by his opponent there. Beasley isn't able to compete defensively and he is an inefficient scorer.

Jamario Moon, Anthony Parker and Leon Powe are pretty much worthless to Minnesota. Minny has three superior wings in Wes Johnson, Martell Webster (injured) and Corey Brewer which is where the overwhelming majority (90%) of their available minutes should go. Powe couldn't crack Minny's rotation either. So it's basically the draft pick. So not much gains depth wise or talent wise. A fourth wing in the depth chart (Moon over Ellington), a sixth wing (Ellington over Parker since they're rebuilding) and third string PF (Powe). Limited impact. Replaceable with minimum contract signings next summer.

Jonny Flynn is a low level prospect. However, he probably has enough admirers around the league to still fetch a late lottery to mid first round pick by himself. He'd also play much better once he gets out of Minnesota and into an offense like the Cavs.

That said, Flynn still isn't as good as Ramon Sessions and the draft pick they'd be giving up would likely have better value.

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Anyway, good trade for Minnesota. The pick is more valuable than the talent they are parting with given the lack of playing time available to Michael Beasley at the power forward position.

And bad trade for the Cavs because they'd be giving away a draft pick that could do more for their team than either of the two young players they'd be taking back.

Oh, and Lazar Hayward who I don't anything about.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

what the Cavs need is a low post scorer. Beasley might develop this as he was good in the post in college but who knows how long will it take.

Plus i think the Cavs will hold on to that 1st round pick. That could probably be Jared Sullinger, a low post guy, that not only do they need, but has the talent too (remember when they say Talent before Need, we'll the Cavs can get both of that in Sullinger) so they might not go for this trade.

Besides, Minny won't be giving up Beasley for Moon, Parker and Powe. The Cavs have to give some more talent for that, maybe Jamison + some.

[Megatron]

Cavs have the worst players in the league with no heart. If I was minnesota I wouldnt trade for a single one of those losers.

Even though Cleveland has a better record, Minnesota is leagues and bounds better than them.

[RJ87]

Michael Beasley hasn't proven himself able to play the small forward position. He is still getting outplayed on a regular basis by his opponent there. Beasley isn't able to compete defensively and he is an inefficient scorer.

I wouldn't say he's inefficient - he's currently shooting 47% from the field, 41% from behind the arc. He's not on pace to break any records, but it's not like he's in Trevor Ariza-mode.

He is still a liability on defense at the 3, but people seem to keep forgetting that he's 21 years old. He can and more than likely will make strides to improve. He's got an enormous amount of potential.

With that said, Minny would be stupid to deal him at this point. They got him for mere scraps (2 2nd rounders) and he and K. Love can be a formidable 1-2 punch for years to come.

[Who]

Michael Beasley hasn't proven himself able to play the small forward position. He is still getting outplayed on a regular basis by his opponent there. Beasley isn't able to compete defensively and he is an inefficient scorer.

I wouldn't say he's inefficient - he's currently shooting 47% from the field, 41% from behind the arc. He's not on pace to break any records, but it's not like he's in Trevor Ariza-mode.

Beasley has a true shooting percentage of 52.9% (serviceable, slightly below average) with a high number of turnovers. 3.1 TOs per game (very poor).

He has scored 389 points on 330 shot attempts + 86 free throws + 55 turnovers ... for a points per possession score of .909 which is well below average (.95).

In conclusion, Michael Beasley is an inefficient scorer.

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And that is assuming that Beasley is able to maintain his exceptional long two point shooting (49%) and his three point marksmanship throughout the year ... which is doubtful ... so his inefficiency offensively is likely to get even worse.

[Daddyfatsax]

Wolves fan here from Twolvesblog.com. You might try taking this over there to see how quickly it would get dismissed.

Beasley has been getting much better and it will still take at least another season before he gets how to play at this level. He's already our go-to scorer. Watching the games and playing with stats is two different things. He's a volume shooter, for sure. But he's worth a lot more than you're proposing.

This trade goes nowhere.

[PosImpos]

Michael Beasley hasn't proven himself able to play the small forward position. He is still getting outplayed on a regular basis by his opponent there. Beasley isn't able to compete defensively and he is an inefficient scorer.

I wouldn't say he's inefficient - he's currently shooting 47% from the field, 41% from behind the arc. He's not on pace to break any records, but it's not like he's in Trevor Ariza-mode.

Beasley has a true shooting percentage of 52.9% (serviceable, slightly below average) with a high number of turnovers. 3.1 TOs per game (very poor).

He has scored 389 points on 330 shot attempts + 86 free throws + 55 turnovers ... for a points per possession score of .909 which is well below average (.95).

In conclusion, Michael Beasley is an inefficient scorer.

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And that is assuming that Beasley is able to maintain his exceptional long two point shooting (49%) and his three point marksmanship throughout the year ... which is doubtful ... so his inefficiency offensively is likely to get even worse.

Nonetheless, Beasley is currently scoring 21 points per game while shooting .473 on all field goals and .410 on 3 pointers.  He's also grabbing 6 rebounds a game. 

He's not a great scorer, but he's probably the best scorer the Wolves currently have...nothing the Cavs could give them would be worth trading him.

[Who]

I like Michael Beasley as a power forward. I think he's a solid player there. A good scorer (third option type) and serviceable defender/rebounder. He'll struggle against many of the tall PFs but he'll do well against most of the rest at that position.

I also like Minnesota experimenting with Beasley as a small forward. I think it's worth exploring that possibility given Kevin Love's lock on the minutes at the power forward position. That said, I do think it's highly unlikely to work in the long term due to Beasley's inability to cover opposing players and his struggles efficiency wise offensively.

And, I do consider Beasley a failure so far at the three spot.

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I think Beasley's poor play is one of the main reasons why Minnesota isn't winning often enough (20/21 win pace).

They would be a considerably superior team (25-28 win level) if Beasley was dropped from the rotation + they hand the majority of the available minutes on the wing to W.Johnson, M.Webster (once he returns from injury) and C.Brewer.

Michael Beasley is doing more damage than good to that Minnesota team.

Beasley is doing considerable harm to the Wolves defense and isn't adding enough offensively to make up for that.

[Who]

On a final Beasley note, if Beasley continues to fail as a small forward (which I consider likely to happen) ... then Minnesota should look to trade him at the trade deadline.

They could likely get a late first round pick, a solid prospect or a quality veteran role player in return for him.

[PosImpos]

I like Michael Beasley as a power forward. I think he's a solid player there. A good scorer (third option type) and serviceable defender/rebounder. He'll struggle against many of the tall PFs but he'll do well against most of the rest at that position.

I also like Minnesota experimenting with Beasley as a small forward. I think it's worth exploring that possibility given Kevin Love's lock on the minutes at the power forward position. That said, I do think it's highly unlikely to work in the long term due to Beasley's inability to cover opposing players and his struggles efficiency wise offensively.

And, I do consider Beasley a failure so far at the three spot.

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I think Beasley's poor play is one of the main reasons why Minnesota isn't winning often enough (20/21 win pace).

They would be a considerably superior team (25-28 win level) if Beasley was dropped from the rotation + they hand the majority of the available minutes on the wing to W.Johnson, M.Webster (once he returns from injury) and C.Brewer.

Michael Beasley is doing more damage than good to that Minnesota team.

Beasley is doing considerable harm to the Wolves defense and isn't adding enough offensively to make up for that.

I have a hard time believing the Wolves would be a better team with Wes Johnson and Corey Brewer playing most of the wing minutes, with Beasley out of the rotation, considering the amount of offense they'd lose.

I tend to agree that Beasley should probably be a stretch power forward instead of a small forward, but I don't think it's in the Wolves' best interests to trade him this season.  They should want to lose a lot of games so they can increase their draft position; also, if Beasley plays a full season (and a career one at that), it will greatly increase his trade value in the future. 

The Wolves should trade Beasley when his value is highest, and I think given his history of inconsistency and attitude / work ethic / fitness issues, his value will not be at his highest till he's demonstrated an ability to be a productive, reliable player for a full season.

[Who]

I like Michael Beasley as a power forward. I think he's a solid player there. A good scorer (third option type) and serviceable defender/rebounder. He'll struggle against many of the tall PFs but he'll do well against most of the rest at that position.

I also like Minnesota experimenting with Beasley as a small forward. I think it's worth exploring that possibility given Kevin Love's lock on the minutes at the power forward position. That said, I do think it's highly unlikely to work in the long term due to Beasley's inability to cover opposing players and his struggles efficiency wise offensively.

And, I do consider Beasley a failure so far at the three spot.

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I think Beasley's poor play is one of the main reasons why Minnesota isn't winning often enough (20/21 win pace).

They would be a considerably superior team (25-28 win level) if Beasley was dropped from the rotation + they hand the majority of the available minutes on the wing to W.Johnson, M.Webster (once he returns from injury) and C.Brewer.

Michael Beasley is doing more damage than good to that Minnesota team.

Beasley is doing considerable harm to the Wolves defense and isn't adding enough offensively to make up for that.

I have a hard time believing the Wolves would be a better team with Wes Johnson and Corey Brewer playing most of the wing minutes, with Beasley out of the rotation, considering the amount of offense they'd lose.

I tend to agree that Beasley should probably be a stretch power forward instead of a small forward, but I don't think it's in the Wolves' best interests to trade him this season.  They should want to lose a lot of games so they can increase their draft position; also, if Beasley plays a full season (and a career one at that), it will greatly increase his trade value in the future. 

The Wolves should trade Beasley when his value is highest, and I think given his history of inconsistency and attitude / work ethic / fitness issues, his value will not be at his highest till he's demonstrated an ability to be a productive, reliable player for a full season.

I think the length of Beasley's contract (expiring contract next year) will stop his trade value from rising much higher than where it will be by mid-season.

The acquiring team would have to give up a quality asset to land Beasley + face the risk of losing Beasley via Free Agency + if they manage to keep him, they'd have to give him costly pay rise. I think those three factors limit the upside to his trade value.

So, I reckon Beasley's trade value will be fairly comparable at the trade deadline as it is at the end of the regular season + will begin to decline around August and continue to gradually decline throughout the season until it reaches it's lowest point at next year's trade deadline.

I would be happy waiting until the end of the year to trade him but no further than that. Draft day or first two weeks of July. Further than that gets risky.

[wiley]

I like Michael Beasley as a power forward. I think he's a solid player there. A good scorer (third option type) and serviceable defender/rebounder. He'll struggle against many of the tall PFs but he'll do well against most of the rest at that position.

I also like Minnesota experimenting with Beasley as a small forward. I think it's worth exploring that possibility given Kevin Love's lock on the minutes at the power forward position. That said, I do think it's highly unlikely to work in the long term due to Beasley's inability to cover opposing players and his struggles efficiency wise offensively.

And, I do consider Beasley a failure so far at the three spot.

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I think Beasley's poor play is one of the main reasons why Minnesota isn't winning often enough (20/21 win pace).

They would be a considerably superior team (25-28 win level) if Beasley was dropped from the rotation + they hand the majority of the available minutes on the wing to W.Johnson, M.Webster (once he returns from injury) and C.Brewer.

Michael Beasley is doing more damage than good to that Minnesota team.

Beasley is doing considerable harm to the Wolves defense and isn't adding enough offensively to make up for that.

I have a hard time believing the Wolves would be a better team with Wes Johnson and Corey Brewer playing most of the wing minutes, with Beasley out of the rotation, considering the amount of offense they'd lose.

I tend to agree that Beasley should probably be a stretch power forward instead of a small forward, but I don't think it's in the Wolves' best interests to trade him this season.  They should want to lose a lot of games so they can increase their draft position; also, if Beasley plays a full season (and a career one at that), it will greatly increase his trade value in the future. 

The Wolves should trade Beasley when his value is highest, and I think given his history of inconsistency and attitude / work ethic / fitness issues, his value will not be at his highest till he's demonstrated an ability to be a productive, reliable player for a full season.

I think the length of Beasley's contract (expiring contract next year) will stop his trade value from rising much higher than where it will be by mid-season.

The acquiring team would have to give up a quality asset to land Beasley + face the risk of losing Beasley via Free Agency + if they manage to keep him, they'd have to give him costly pay rise. I think those three factors limit the upside to his trade value.

So, I reckon Beasley's trade value will be fairly comparable at the trade deadline as it is at the end of the regular season + will begin to decline around August and continue to gradually decline throughout the season until it reaches it's lowest point at next year's trade deadline.

I would be happy waiting until the end of the year to trade him but no further than that. Draft day or first two weeks of July. Further than that gets risky.

I tend to agree Who.  Of Course Minny could let him develop, but Minny also needs to start developing consistent roles for the players it wants for its core.  I think Beasley belongs as a starting PF next to a beast-type center, or at the very least a center who stays in the paint, scores inside and defends.  He will be a much better scorer than Kenyon Martin ever was, especially from outise.....but KM on defense would probably be a good player to model himself after.

[Fafnir]

Beasley's "production" highlights the failure of PER/NBA efficency metrics. Both measures will take volume scorers and over rate their contributions. And Beasley's isn't an Iverson type where his inefficient scoring is dominating in its own way.

If Kahn can get a decent first round pick for him he should consider that a win and jump on it. Flipping two second round picks for that would be a great return.