Why the silence in cleveland?

[Witch-King]

The whole "bring in a former star to put fannies in the seats" thing is WAY overrated.  How many full arenas did AI play to in Memphis last year?   

Actually, I think he was cut (or exiled) before Memphis even played a home game.  It was that bad.

Of all of Allen's "gaffes" as a player , I will support him with the memphis thing. I'm sorry I guess i'll have to continue to argue this point till the cows come home but even at this stage, Iverson is better than Freaking Mike Conley. To me that's like if we still had Gerald green, Expecting Ray allen to come off the bench behind green. Sure ray allen is older and on the decline but come on that's just a slap in ray's face. I think folk overrate the "potential" thing way more than they overrate "star power". Plus you never know what went on behind the scenes. From hearing Ai's point of view. He was made to believe he would be given a platform there in memphis to showcase his talent and make memphis better. So I can imagine how frustrating that would be. Ah well.
 As to your point bird, you're right , wins make the difference. however At this point in his career I'm sure AI can be had for the minimum. So by no means am I suggesting mortgaging the future. Didn't really take in consideration his contract so maybe i'll take back the Arenas thing but nonetheless what does cleveland have to look forward to for the 2010/2011 season. They're going to suck anyway. Fans know & expect them to suck, so my thing is what do you have to lose bring in someone for the vet min that you can cut if things get out of hand? Cavs need something. Again if I was GM and I look at my roster and I know losing is in my future, I'm the type that would make that run. Oh well just a sentiment, It's pretty much all about the Celtics anyhow. just feel bad for the cavs. Maybe it's just pity. my emotional side. lol 

So, are you suggesting ::gulp:: , that Allen Iverson, play for the Cavs? Is that what you're hinting at??

Honestly, I don't see why he can't just get his starting spot with the 76ers back, yet again. That, or follow Donovan McNabb to D.C. and play with Arenas and John Wall. 

Edit: Iverson may not even start in Philly, if they keep Holiday @ pg, Start Turner at the three and have Andre Igodala play SG. Totally 4got abt that.

[greg683x]

It will take awhile.  I'm all for the owner calling out Lebron.  I would much rather watch the cavs of mark price's era, that was good team basketball.
Why the silence in Washington, there is a franchise is as bad shape.

Washington is WAAAAAYYYY ahead of Cleveland.  Clevelands in much worse shape.

Washingtons already cleaned house, except for Arenas, and they have some nice young players to build around.  John Wall, JaVale McGee, Andre Blatche (whos a knucklehead, Id trade him while his stock is somewhat high), and Al Thornton.  Kirk Hinrichs not a bad guy to have on your team either, although he belongs on a contender.

[Eric_Suede]

The whole "bring in a former star to put fannies in the seats" thing is WAY overrated.  How many full arenas did AI play to in Memphis last year?  

Actually, I think he was cut (or exiled) before Memphis even played a home game.  It was that bad.

Of all of Allen's "gaffes" as a player , I will support him with the memphis thing. I'm sorry I guess i'll have to continue to argue this point till the cows come home but even at this stage, Iverson is better than Freaking Mike Conley. To me that's like if we still had Gerald green, Expecting Ray allen to come off the bench behind green. Sure ray allen is older and on the decline but come on that's just a slap in ray's face. I think folk overrate the "potential" thing way more than they overrate "star power". Plus you never know what went on behind the scenes. From hearing Ai's point of view. He was made to believe he would be given a platform there in memphis to showcase his talent and make memphis better. So I can imagine how frustrating that would be. Ah well.
 As to your point bird, you're right , wins make the difference. however At this point in his career I'm sure AI can be had for the minimum. So by no means am I suggesting mortgaging the future. Didn't really take in consideration his contract so maybe i'll take back the Arenas thing but nonetheless what does cleveland have to look forward to for the 2010/2011 season. They're going to suck anyway. Fans know & expect them to suck, so my thing is what do you have to lose bring in someone for the vet min that you can cut if things get out of hand? Cavs need something. Again if I was GM and I look at my roster and I know losing is in my future, I'm the type that would make that run. Oh well just a sentiment, It's pretty much all about the Celtics anyhow. just feel bad for the cavs. Maybe it's just pity. my emotional side. lol  

So, are you suggesting ::gulp:: , that Allen Iverson, play for the Cavs? Is that what you're hinting at??

Honestly, I don't see why he can't just get his starting spot with the 76ers back, yet again. That, or follow Donovan McNabb to D.C. and play with Arenas and John Wall.  

Edit: Iverson may not even start in Philly, if they keep Holiday @ pg, Start Turner at the three and have Andre Igodala play SG. Totally 4got abt that.

yes that's exactly what i'm saying. Principle is this. Kind of like the geek asking a girl out for a date. He has no girlfriend. So if he asks the girl out and she says "no" , what has he lost. he's just back at square one. But if she says yes then he's probably going to score. So what's the harm in trying?
 
    That's my thing here. Cavs suck now. (no lebron,no shaq,no big z). Jamison is their best player now. So honestly They'll be the equivalent of last years wizards. So why not take a shot at someone, i'm not just talking about ai. Mcgrady comes to mind as well. Both of these "over the hill" guys had good games this past season. The cavs suck, they sign AI to one year, minimum salary , it doesn't work out. They're back to square one. But if he somehow thrives in Scotts running system. (which I think he would) it could be surprising. maybe even get them in the playoffs (8th seed) So my thing is WHY NOT? Again i'm not talking long term contract here. What player on the cav's roster would be "hindered from development" by signing AI. What pg/sg on their roster excites you as a player that may surpise people and be their future? Delonte West? .......      

  I'm not going to drag this out too much. Again just having pity for the cavs. I would've expected to hear at least a little noise of some kind of move, even if it's just picking up some rookie.

[xmuscularghandix]

They’re in the weakest division in the East. I think they may surprise people.

They don't have a real point guard.  Mo Williams should be playing off the ball (ideally a sixth man).

They don't have a center.  Shaq ain't coming back, and Big Z's in Florida.

Antwan Jamison may be better, I would assume he'll be more of a focus on offense now.  But, we saw exactly how good the Wizards were when Jamison was THEIR best player.

Their best wings are who, Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon?  I'd love Parker on our bench, but he's not a starter.  Moon's medicore at best. 

Varejao's a garbage man that's good to have on a good team but meaningless on a mediocre squad.

Are the Cavs much better than say, the Wizards were at the beginning of last year, with Jamison and Carol Butler?  Are they better than last year's Pacers team, with Danny Granger?  They sure aren't better than the Bulls, and I'd even take the (redundant, overpaid) talent of the Pistons before I took the Cleveland squad.

Cleveland has some pieces to get better in two or three years, but unless something dramatic happens, I'd be shocked if they won more than 30 games. 

I’m not saying they’re going to make the playoffs or anything. I just think that they aren’t going to just give up and win 20 or something.

[Celtics4ever]

They are going to suck eggs.

[Witch-King]

The whole "bring in a former star to put fannies in the seats" thing is WAY overrated.  How many full arenas did AI play to in Memphis last year?  

Actually, I think he was cut (or exiled) before Memphis even played a home game.  It was that bad.

Of all of Allen's "gaffes" as a player , I will support him with the memphis thing. I'm sorry I guess i'll have to continue to argue this point till the cows come home but even at this stage, Iverson is better than Freaking Mike Conley. To me that's like if we still had Gerald green, Expecting Ray allen to come off the bench behind green. Sure ray allen is older and on the decline but come on that's just a slap in ray's face. I think folk overrate the "potential" thing way more than they overrate "star power". Plus you never know what went on behind the scenes. From hearing Ai's point of view. He was made to believe he would be given a platform there in memphis to showcase his talent and make memphis better. So I can imagine how frustrating that would be. Ah well.
 As to your point bird, you're right , wins make the difference. however At this point in his career I'm sure AI can be had for the minimum. So by no means am I suggesting mortgaging the future. Didn't really take in consideration his contract so maybe i'll take back the Arenas thing but nonetheless what does cleveland have to look forward to for the 2010/2011 season. They're going to suck anyway. Fans know & expect them to suck, so my thing is what do you have to lose bring in someone for the vet min that you can cut if things get out of hand? Cavs need something. Again if I was GM and I look at my roster and I know losing is in my future, I'm the type that would make that run. Oh well just a sentiment, It's pretty much all about the Celtics anyhow. just feel bad for the cavs. Maybe it's just pity. my emotional side. lol  

So, are you suggesting ::gulp:: , that Allen Iverson, play for the Cavs? Is that what you're hinting at??

Honestly, I don't see why he can't just get his starting spot with the 76ers back, yet again. That, or follow Donovan McNabb to D.C. and play with Arenas and John Wall.  

Edit: Iverson may not even start in Philly, if they keep Holiday @ pg, Start Turner at the three and have Andre Igodala play SG. Totally 4got abt that.

yes that's exactly what i'm saying. Principle is this. Kind of like the geek asking a girl out for a date. He has no girlfriend. So if he asks the girl out and she says "no" , what has he lost. he's just back at square one. But if she says yes then he's probably going to score. So what's the harm in trying?
 
    That's my thing here. Cavs suck now. (no lebron,no shaq,no big z). Jamison is their best player now. So honestly They'll be the equivalent of last years wizards. So why not take a shot at someone, i'm not just talking about ai. Mcgrady comes to mind as well. Both of these "over the hill" guys had good games this past season. The cavs suck, they sign AI to one year, minimum salary , it doesn't work out. They're back to square one. But if he somehow thrives in Scotts running system. (which I think he would) it could be surprising. maybe even get them in the playoffs (8th seed) So my thing is WHY NOT? Again i'm not talking long term contract here. What player on the cav's roster would be "hindered from development" by signing AI. What pg/sg on their roster excites you as a player that may surpise people and be their future? Delonte West? .......      

  I'm not going to drag this out too much. Again just having pity for the cavs. I would've expected to hear at least a little noise of some kind of move, even if it's just picking up some rookie.

Honestly, Iverson would probably have a better season coming off of the bench in Philly than to start for the Cavaliers. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing A.I. play back-up to Ray Allen in Boston next season, either. Tracy McGrady should stay in New York -- who knows, either CP3 or AI could end up playing point guard there, as unlikely as either event may seem.