Boston - Utah trade?

[Moranis]

saw Boozer's twitter says it would be "nice if it worked out" referring to staying in Utah, so perhaps he isn't going to go anywhere.

Unless the Knicks win the lottery, the Jazz won't be picking until 9 at the earliest, perhaps they might trade it for Perkins, especially if the C's took back a bad contract.

[vgulab]

Chris you think Utah will trade their lottery pick for Perk only? Well let's make it done right now. It could be amazing for the Celtics ig they get a future all star with that lottery draft pick plus we won't have to sign Perk to a big contract next season. And with our 19th pick Larry Sanders can be our future at the centar position

Honestly, my inclination is that they won't.  However, I don't think it is so lopsided that it can't be discussed.  I think it is in that gray area, where it will come down to how high they are on Perk (and whether Sloan thinks he is a good fit).  

And of course, it also depends on whether they can afford Perk's salary (we could also take Miles back, if that's an issue), and most importantly, whether they like anyone where they are picking.

If they are not sold on anyone at that spot (and depending on who you talk to, they might be falling just after the second tier of the draft ends), then they might choose to go for it with Perk.

I think we don't know something important here.Does Danny really like someone in this draft? Last year he liked Tyreke Evans but didn't get. So we should find out if Danny likes someone. if he does than he can make trade with Utah possible.
I trust Danny but we don't know what is he thinking. Maybe he doesn't like Turner maybe...

[Fan from VT]

Utah is an intriguing partner, but I'm not sure we'll be the best fit, because I think Utah will be trying to assemble a competitive team while looking to get under the luxury tax. So they're probably looking to trade to a team under the cap...or trade with Dallas for Dampier's non-guaranteed deal.  Regardless, any deal we make will have to be large enough to result in the Celtics taking on several more million dollars than Utah does, to help Utah with the tax.


If Utah only keeps the players under contract for next season (so no fesenko, boozer, korver) and not counting their (high) draft pick, they're at 58 million. Tax is 68 million, so they've got less than 10 mil to play with, which is not enough to keep boozer. But, we could trade Baby, Pierce, and Perk to utah for Kirilenko, Boozer (starting at 17 million), and Koufos. This would save Utah about 7 million of Boozer's salary, putting them right near the tax threshold and allowing them to keep a SF,C, bench player.


Not a very attractive trade, really. But I think that's the kind of deal you need to make with Utah: They're trying to get something for Boozer (or be able to keep him) but without paying tax, so they're looking to dump money. Hard for us to help with that since we're over the cap, so we can only help by making the deal huge and taking back more money than we're giving out.

[Brendan]

AK47 interests me. Mislap interests me. Boozer? PASS. His health concerns scare me too much for what he brings to the table.

I would do something like AK47 and Milsap for Ray and Perk.

Utah would run out a starting lineup of Perk, Boozer, Miles (I guess), Ray, and Deron. I can't see them shipping the Knicks pick in that deal or even swapping it. That pick is a good chance for them to get another wing which they would need. If they'd take Rasheed I'd send him, just doubt it. He's sort of the opposite of a Sloan player - on the other hand their offense is setup for a three point shooting big man. Who knows.

Speaking of AK47, wouldn't he be the perfect PF to start next to James at SF?

[vgulab]

AK47 can guard Josh Smith and Lebron James so i like him to. Kirilenko plus lottery pick for Perk and Allen? YES

[Bankshot]

I like Boozer for Perkins (and something), whether it is Sheed and Davis, Allen in a sign and trade, or with a third team taking on some of the C's parts, doesn't matter.  I think that is a good trade for both teams assuming it can be worked out.

Who will play center for the Celtics?  Garnett can't/doesn't want to do it.

[jdpapa3]

I like Perk for the Knicks pick. Seems as if CJ Miles is the only one the trade would work straight up for and he is pretty good so I doubt they'd do that, but there are other ways to go about it. I think they have a trade exception from Harpring so that might be able to be used in this situation, but I'm not sure when it expires or the parameters of its use. edit: it expires in December so it is in play, and I think it can be used along with the draft pick...Utah doesn't need to get any younger. They need to utilize Deron's prime to its max and they probably value Millsap on a similar level to Boozer, who they will probably lose this summer.

And I'd still base this decision on how we finish out this season. But if Danny sees a future all star, then the team needs to grab that out of the draft and cut bait with Perk.

[Chris]

I like Boozer for Perkins (and something), whether it is Sheed and Davis, Allen in a sign and trade, or with a third team taking on some of the C's parts, doesn't matter.  I think that is a good trade for both teams assuming it can be worked out.

Who will play center for the Celtics?  Garnett can't/doesn't want to do it.

Garnett CAN do it.  And whether he wants to...well, I don't care.  If it is best for the team (which I think it is), then he will do it.

There just are not many bruising centers left in the NBA anyways, and KG will have a field day against 90% of the centers in the league, while he has struggled keeping quicker PF's in front of him lately. 

I also think the thing about KG not wanting to play center is not really valid anymore.  That comes from when he was a lot younger.  He has matured, and become a lot stronger since then. 

[gpap]

The Jazz lost against the Lakers 4-0. Why? Because they were small.Boozer and Milsap just coudn't stop Lakers big guys. Even if Okur was there still think that they need a defenseve centar.Boozer will be a free agent so they will probably sign and trade him because they will not give him so much money when they got Milsap. So my sugestion is trade Perkins,Davis,Daniels for the Utah lotery pick. Or some simular trade. Why? Utah need defensive centar and get that with Perk. Then they have Perkins+Milsap frontcourt. Big Baby will be backup PF and Marquis backup SF. Plus sign and trade Boozer for a really good SF/SG than UTAH will be a contender. Ithink it is posible we get a lotery pick which can be really high on the draft and we could get a top 3 pick and get Evan Turner maybe and they get what they been missing because the Jazz are young enough they don't need another young guy and we need. What do you think? Is it posible and is it good for both teams?

What???!!! We are going to trade three players for a lottery pick???!! Next!!

[aporel#18]

What about this:

Bos sends Sheed+Davis

Utah sends Okur+ the 2011 Memphis 1st round pick Utah owns (lottery protected)

The Celtics still would have a hole at the SF, but Okur could play the Sheed role from the bench. Perk might play or not this season, so the big men rotation would be solid with a vet min addition.

Okur would mean better offense from the bench, allowing the Celtics to give minutes to non-shooters who can provide good defense. He will be an expiring 10 million contract next season. And the Memphis pick, althought protected, is another asset for Danny to use around the 2012 summer 

Why for Utah? Financial flexibility, that means a chance to get a defensive minded C to pair him with Big Al and Millsap. Add Big Baby who could be a good backup and/or trade asset for them.

[greg_kite]

What about this:

Bos sends Sheed+Davis

Utah sends Okur+ the 2011 Memphis 1st round pick Utah owns (lottery protected)

The Celtics still would have a hole at the SF, but Okur could play the Sheed role from the bench. Perk might play or not this season, so the big men rotation would be solid with a vet min addition.

Okur would mean better offense from the bench, allowing the Celtics to give minutes to non-shooters who can provide good defense. He will be an expiring 10 million contract next season. And the Memphis pick, althought protected, is another asset for Danny to use around the 2012 summer 

Why for Utah? Financial flexibility, that means a chance to get a defensive minded C to pair him with Big Al and Millsap. Add Big Baby who could be a good backup and/or trade asset for them.

I think Okur is hurt(achilles) for the first half of the year like Perk, so we'd only have K.G. and J.O. until February or so.  If we could get him but also keep Big Baby it might be worth it.

[Bankshot]

I like Boozer for Perkins (and something), whether it is Sheed and Davis, Allen in a sign and trade, or with a third team taking on some of the C's parts, doesn't matter.  I think that is a good trade for both teams assuming it can be worked out.

Who will play center for the Celtics?  Garnett can't/doesn't want to do it.

Garnett CAN do it.  And whether he wants to...well, I don't care.  If it is best for the team (which I think it is), then he will do it.

There just are not many bruising centers left in the NBA anyways, and KG will have a field day against 90% of the centers in the league, while he has struggled keeping quicker PF's in front of him lately. 

I also think the thing about KG not wanting to play center is not really valid anymore.  That comes from when he was a lot younger.  He has matured, and become a lot stronger since then. 

Garnett doesn't defend that position well, I don't think. He's too skinny. He gets pushed around and can hardly get near the basket.  At his age, I wouldn't want him banging around in the paint anyway.

[aporel#18]

What about this:

Bos sends Sheed+Davis

Utah sends Okur+ the 2011 Memphis 1st round pick Utah owns (lottery protected)

The Celtics still would have a hole at the SF, but Okur could play the Sheed role from the bench. Perk might play or not this season, so the big men rotation would be solid with a vet min addition.

Okur would mean better offense from the bench, allowing the Celtics to give minutes to non-shooters who can provide good defense. He will be an expiring 10 million contract next season. And the Memphis pick, althought protected, is another asset for Danny to use around the 2012 summer 

Why for Utah? Financial flexibility, that means a chance to get a defensive minded C to pair him with Big Al and Millsap. Add Big Baby who could be a good backup and/or trade asset for them.

I think Okur is hurt(achilles) for the first half of the year like Perk, so we'd only have K.G. and J.O. until February or so.  If we could get him but also keep Big Baby it might be worth it.

Thanks for the info, TP... could we replace Baby with Erden+Gaffney+Lafayette? that would give more flexibility to Utah