David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"

[celticinorlando]

we went all in with these older guys to win a title. they did. did everyone including ownership thought they would get at least 2 in the time frame? sure ..... KG's knee changed that and slammed the window shut. now we are tied an oft injured old big three for the next 2.5 years. this is the price we have to pay for the title. it was worth it. hopefully we wont be horrible on that glorious day when we can shed all of this old money off the book in 2012.

[buzz]

We'll see what happens. For my money, Ainge should have dealt our $20m 3-point shooting specialist last summer. Obvious by then we were too old, even more obvious during the first 30 games, and painfully obvious now. This team is done and might not make it out of the 1st round, and they don't have a chance of beating 3 out of Hawks/Magic/Cavs/Lakers in the last 3 rounds. Bottom line is that KG is washed up and Ray is a 6th Man at best.

With that said, there's too many junk peddlers out there at the deadline. There is no impact player available, other than possibly Amare, who is about to be overpaid by Miami. I might take on Iggy or Monta plus expirings, but the rest of these guys out there are complete trash. All these names I am hearing, from Martin to Jamison to Maggette to Murphy to Nocioni to Hinrich to Salmons to JRich to Tyrus... they are all garbage. Ditto Nate Robinson.

If those guys and bad contracts are the best you can do, why bother? Adding expensive slobs won't solve the problem.

[SamuelAdams]

we went all in with these older guys to win a title. they did. did everyone including ownership thought they would get at least 2 in the time frame? sure ..... KG's knee changed that and slammed the window shut. now we are tied an oft injured old big three for the next 2.5 years. this is the price we have to pay for the title. it was worth it. hopefully we wont be horrible on that glorious day when we can shed all of this old money off the book in 2012.

Thanks Mate, I needed that. 

[celticinorlando]

we went all in with these older guys to win a title. they did. did everyone including ownership thought they would get at least 2 in the time frame? sure ..... KG's knee changed that and slammed the window shut. now we are tied an oft injured old big three for the next 2.5 years. this is the price we have to pay for the title. it was worth it. hopefully we wont be horrible on that glorious day when we can shed all of this old money off the book in 2012.

Thanks Mate, I needed that. 

let me stress...what the celtics ownership did to get KG and Ray was unreal....esp after losing that draft......and then the run to the title was one of the greatest sporting moments in my entire 35 years of watching sports. the hard part is watching these guys slow down, get hurt because you feel a bond with them

[FatjohnReturns]

Hurray common sense prevails. yipppeee

[clover]

We'll see what happens. For my money, Ainge should have dealt our $20m 3-point shooting specialist last summer. Obvious by then we were too old, even more obvious during the first 30 games, and painfully obvious now. This team is done and might not make it out of the 1st round, and they don't have a chance of beating 3 out of Hawks/Magic/Cavs/Lakers in the last 3 rounds. Bottom line is that KG is washed up and Ray is a 6th Man at best.

With that said, there's too many junk peddlers out there at the deadline. There is no impact player available, other than possibly Amare, who is about to be overpaid by Miami. I might take on Iggy or Monta plus expirings, but the rest of these guys out there are complete trash. All these names I am hearing, from Martin to Jamison to Maggette to Murphy to Nocioni to Hinrich to Salmons to JRich to Tyrus... they are all garbage. Ditto Nate Robinson.

If those guys and bad contracts are the best you can do, why bother? Adding expensive slobs won't solve the problem.

Agreed--and I think it is ownership who kept him from doing that.

[dlpin]

As I said before, if KG is done, we are done. Short of trading Ray Allen for Kobe Bryant, no other trade could possibly make up for not having KG at about at least 70% of his old self.

If KG is done, enjoy their farewell tour this year and the next, and aim to have a boatload of cap space in 2012, when there could be a free agent class even better than the current one.

[timepiece33]

When we signed Rondo, we basically allocated a portion of Ray's salary slot.  It was pretty obvious at the time.   You have $20MM to allocate between the two players

The problem at this point is that some of you are asking the ownership group to go well over the cap.  

My bet is that if a Ray Allen and Bill Walker for Corey Maggette, Raja Bell, and Devean George were to appear that we would consider doing it.  

[buzz]

When we signed Rondo, we basically allocated a portion of Ray's salary slot.  It was pretty obvious at the time.   You have $20MM to allocate between the two players

The problem at this point is that some of you are asking the ownership group to go well over the cap.  

My bet is that if a Ray Allen and Bill Walker for Corey Maggette, Raja Bell, and Devean George were to appear that we would consider doing it.  

I can tell you for a fact that the Warriors would trade Maggette for expirings in a heartbeat, but cannot find a taker.

[BballTim]

We'll see what happens. For my money, Ainge should have dealt our $20m 3-point shooting specialist last summer. Obvious by then we were too old, even more obvious during the first 30 games, and painfully obvious now. This team is done and might not make it out of the 1st round, and they don't have a chance of beating 3 out of Hawks/Magic/Cavs/Lakers in the last 3 rounds. Bottom line is that KG is washed up and Ray is a 6th Man at best.

With that said, there's too many junk peddlers out there at the deadline. There is no impact player available, other than possibly Amare, who is about to be overpaid by Miami. I might take on Iggy or Monta plus expirings, but the rest of these guys out there are complete trash. All these names I am hearing, from Martin to Jamison to Maggette to Murphy to Nocioni to Hinrich to Salmons to JRich to Tyrus... they are all garbage. Ditto Nate Robinson.

If those guys and bad contracts are the best you can do, why bother? Adding expensive slobs won't solve the problem.

 The deals were no better this summer than they are now, probably worse. They want Ray and Rondo for Amare this summer, leaving us with plenty of bigs and no backcourt whatsoever.

[Roy Hobbs]

We'll see what happens. For my money, Ainge should have dealt our $20m 3-point shooting specialist last summer. Obvious by then we were too old, even more obvious during the first 30 games, and painfully obvious now.

I think it's easy to say "too old" in hindsight, but this summer Ray was coming off a 51 point playoff game, and we'd taken a very good Magic team to seven games without KG.  I think the team did the right thing this summer:  add to the core by strengthening the bench. 

Obviously, with KG struggling with more injuries and Ray's game falling off a bit, people are going to wonder if we should have seen this coming.  However, based upon last season and the beginning of this season, I don't think there was any reason to predict the current struggles.

Also, of course, when you're one of the top 5 or 6 teams in the league (and a top-3 team and a "true contender" when healthy), I don't think you blow your team up.