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Re: David Alrdidge: C's wont trade Ray Allen
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2010, 10:15:20 PM »

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Well then we can give up hope for this season then.  Rebuilding process going to be interesting.

give me a break... ::)

If the best team in the league didn't just get significantly better I would agree that it's silly to come to such a hasty conclusion.  But unless KG, Ray, and Pierce suddenly start playing like they're 3 years younger than they currently are, the Celtics won't have a real shot at beating CLE in the ECF.  Heck, unless the team starts playing like they're better than an average team, they'll have a tough time getting out of the first round.

I'm just extremely skeptical, given how this team has played for the vast majority of this season, that there's any realistic hope for success this season without a big upgrade.

What happens if they start playing like they're three months younger, like when we were 23-5?

Then they'll make the ECF.

If this team plays like they did when they were at their peak this season, no team will touch them, including Cleveland.

What trademark wins did this team have when they were "at their peak" earlier this season?

The only one I can think of is the win against the Cavs on opening night.  That was when the Cavs were still getting used to playing with the new guys on the team.  They didn't have Antawn Jamison at the time, either.

During their "peak" this season they still lost to the Hawks, the Suns, and the Magic.  At home.
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Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2010, 10:16:30 PM »

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It appears that Celtics ownership has adopted the canary strategy:  "cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep."

But it could be that other teams were simply not offering the right package.  There were rumored deals that Ainge was entirely justified in rejecting.

Can you blame ownership for being cheap?  The only rumored deal that seemed good for us was the Butler + Jamison for Ray trade, but that was a long shot.

Without a healthy KG, it's not worth it for the Celtics to take on long term money.  There doesn't seem to be much of a guarantee that KG will ever be 100% again, so ownership didn't sign off on taking on a bad contract like Nocioni or Dalembert.  Totally understandable.
Philly refused to trade AI2 for Amar'e, we never had a shot of getting Iggy.

Likewise I don't think the Martin + Nocioni deal was ever even considered by the Kings.

Those deals might never have been rumored - or discussed - because ownership wasn' t willing to take on those contracts.

In any case, my point is that if Danny wasn't able to pull off a major trade because ownership wouldn't allow him to take on a bad contract, you can't blame the ownership.  They had very good reason not to think paying that extra money over the next few years would actually be worth it.
You are supposing the exact opposite of what every news outlet has been reporting. Only three teams would unconditionally take on more salary this year if the right deal game: Cleveland/Boston/Dallas.

The trades weren't on the table because the Kings/76ers weren't interested in a salary dump with no talent coming back.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2010, 10:16:51 PM »

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It appears that Celtics ownership has adopted the canary strategy:  "cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep."

But it could be that other teams were simply not offering the right package.  There were rumored deals that Ainge was entirely justified in rejecting.

Can you blame ownership for being cheap?  The only rumored deal that seemed good for us was the Butler + Jamison for Ray trade, but that was a long shot.

Without a healthy KG, it's not worth it for the Celtics to take on long term money.  There doesn't seem to be much of a guarantee that KG will ever be 100% again, so ownership didn't sign off on taking on a bad contract like Nocioni or Dalembert.  Totally understandable.

For Martin or Iggy, I think ownership would've taken those bad contracts on. I think Philly and Sacramento were looking for something more than expiring for them, and we didn't have much to offer in that regard.

If fact, Dalembert would've been an excellent asset for us next year and Nocioni expires just as KG expires, so it's no big deal really.

I really think all it all came down to us not having much to offer in addition to Ray. The only trade that I can see we might've shied away from would be one with Caron and Jamison both because that's just a ton of money to have in addition to Pierce and KG. But I don't think that Washington would've made that trade with us regardless. We were probably their safety safety safety net.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #48 on: February 17, 2010, 10:17:52 PM »

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Paying 2 34 year old guys who play the same position 32 million dollars in a year is just not something I'd be interested in. And there'd be 2 years where that was the scenario...Jamison wouldn't have made sense for this team.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2010, 10:17:55 PM »

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It appears that Celtics ownership has adopted the canary strategy:  "cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep."

But it could be that other teams were simply not offering the right package.  There were rumored deals that Ainge was entirely justified in rejecting.

Can you blame ownership for being cheap?  The only rumored deal that seemed good for us was the Butler + Jamison for Ray trade, but that was a long shot.

Without a healthy KG, it's not worth it for the Celtics to take on long term money.  There doesn't seem to be much of a guarantee that KG will ever be 100% again, so ownership didn't sign off on taking on a bad contract like Nocioni or Dalembert.  Totally understandable.
Philly refused to trade AI2 for Amar'e, we never had a shot of getting Iggy.

Likewise I don't think the Martin + Nocioni deal was ever even considered by the Kings.

Those deals might never have been rumored - or discussed - because ownership wasn' t willing to take on those contracts.

In any case, my point is that if Danny wasn't able to pull off a major trade because ownership wouldn't allow him to take on a bad contract, you can't blame the ownership.  They had very good reason not to think paying that extra money over the next few years would actually be worth it.
You are supposing the exact opposite of what every news outlet has been reporting. Only three teams would unconditionally take on more salary this year if the right deal game: Cleveland/Boston/Dallas.

The trades weren't on the table because the Kings/76ers weren't interested in a salary dump with no talent coming back.

That may be true.  I'm simply saying that if the case were actually that they could have pulled off a deal but didn't because they didn't want to take on a bad contract, you can't blame them.
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Re: David Alrdidge: C's wont trade Ray Allen
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2010, 10:18:08 PM »

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Well then we can give up hope for this season then.  Rebuilding process going to be interesting.

give me a break... ::)

If the best team in the league didn't just get significantly better I would agree that it's silly to come to such a hasty conclusion.  But unless KG, Ray, and Pierce suddenly start playing like they're 3 years younger than they currently are, the Celtics won't have a real shot at beating CLE in the ECF.  Heck, unless the team starts playing like they're better than an average team, they'll have a tough time getting out of the first round.

I'm just extremely skeptical, given how this team has played for the vast majority of this season, that there's any realistic hope for success this season without a big upgrade.

What happens if they start playing like they're three months younger, like when we were 23-5?

Then they'll make the ECF.

If this team plays like they did when they were at their peak this season, no team will touch them, including Cleveland.

Right, and I don't see why this is such a farfetched scenario for most around here.


because they haven't shown they can play that way again. and KG/PP's health is too big of an if to think they can beat the elites in a 7 game series..we will have a pretty good gage after the laker game...i am anxious to see if they play hard for the entire game or if they run out of gas in the second half as they have been doing in most games

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2010, 10:18:31 PM »

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I will not throw stones at ownership if they turned down trades that involved paying 15 million to Jamison when he is 35 or 10 million to Hinrich, who is an average NBA player.

We don't know the trades out there, so to throw ownership under the bus is ridiculously unfair.

Ownership couldn't see this coming for the last month and a half?  Who else are you going to throw under the bus, the fans? The media?

It's ownershp's bus and they deserve to have tire tracks all over their backs.



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Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2010, 10:18:46 PM »

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Celtics need more KG insurance at the very least.

Scal & Shelden to SA for McDyess or to CHI for Thomas.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2010, 10:19:44 PM »

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I had no interest in Martin if Nocioni was a prerequisite.  What a horrible deal.

The team I would have been calling is Charlotte.  But maybe they foolishly didn't want to deal either.  MJ is a worse GM than Pitino and he's rapidly approaching Isiah status.  God help the NBA if he buys that team.

I would also have been calling Utah about Kirilenko and/or Boozer.

I have no interest in McDyess, who is at the end of the line.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2010, 10:20:42 PM »

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It appears that Celtics ownership has adopted the canary strategy:  "cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep, cheep."

But it could be that other teams were simply not offering the right package.  There were rumored deals that Ainge was entirely justified in rejecting.

Can you blame ownership for being cheap?  The only rumored deal that seemed good for us was the Butler + Jamison for Ray trade, but that was a long shot.

Without a healthy KG, it's not worth it for the Celtics to take on long term money.  There doesn't seem to be much of a guarantee that KG will ever be 100% again, so ownership didn't sign off on taking on a bad contract like Nocioni or Dalembert.  Totally understandable.

For Martin or Iggy, I think ownership would've taken those bad contracts on. I think Philly and Sacramento were looking for something more than expiring for them, and we didn't have much to offer in that regard.

If fact, Dalembert would've been an excellent asset for us next year and Nocioni expires just as KG expires, so it's no big deal really.

I really think all it all came down to us not having much to offer in addition to Ray. The only trade that I can see we might've shied away from would be one with Caron and Jamison both because that's just a ton of money to have in addition to Pierce and KG. But I don't think that Washington would've made that trade with us regardless. We were probably their safety safety safety net.

I didn't know it was 10 PM EST on Thursday. :)

I mean, you're telling me it's 10 PM EST on WEDNESDAY, and I'm supposed to assume trades are over for the C's?

Let's hear what these teams wanna say tomorrow, then maybe I'll buy that Ray plays another game in Green. MAYBE....until 3 PM, at least.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2010, 10:21:00 PM »

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Celtics need more KG insurance at the very least.

Scal & Shelden to SA for McDyess or to CHI for Thomas.

KG insurance doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me because no 70% KG = no championship. It'd be more money for more years for no reason.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2010, 10:21:21 PM »

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I had no interest in Martin if Nocioni was a prerequisite.  What a horrible deal.

The team I would have been calling is Charlotte.  But maybe they foolishly didn't want to deal either.  MJ is a worse GM than Pitino and he's rapidly approaching Isiah status.  God help the NBA if he buys that team.

Be honest; did you call into WEEI around 4 PM ranting about how the Celtics should get Kevin Ollie? :D

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2010, 10:21:49 PM »

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I had no interest in Martin if Nocioni was a prerequisite.  What a horrible deal.

The team I would have been calling is Charlotte.  But maybe they foolishly didn't want to deal either.  MJ is a worse GM than Pitino and he's rapidly approaching Isiah status.  God help the NBA if he buys that team.

Why do you care if Noccioni was added? We weren't going to have any cap room anyways, plus he's expiring the same year as KG. So other than a personal dislike for the player, why would it bother you? And Martin is an excellent Ray replacement.

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2010, 10:24:07 PM »

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Because Monta "Thank god I'm injured during trade holiday" Ellis is so much better. ::)

Re: David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"
« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2010, 10:24:49 PM »

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Because Nocioni sucks, that's why.  I would never pay that much money for someone who sucks.  It's a matter of principle.

And Kevin Maritn isn't that good.  He can't hold Monta Ellis' jockstrap.