I'm begging you Danny, get a back up point guard

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100% agree with "Who" on this. I would take my lumps with either Walker or Giddens rather than seeing Ray and Paul being ground down. It just doesn't make sense. I'd choose Giddens as well. I know he's a spaz, but he has NBA level athleticism, is a good rebounder, works really hard on defense.

Again, I know he's a spaz, but sometimes that comes from fear to. He's tryign so hard to impress while also looking like greatly fearing making any mistake.

Sometimes with a bit more regular rotation, confidence can gorw and he might "settle" more and produce a bit more efficiently. I think Giddens has made some strides this year.

He's at least "less hectic" on the floor and makes some occasional decent plays.    

On the Walker vs. Giddens debate -- give Walker some minutes before making up your mind. Free the man for Pete's sake. He should be given an opportunity before minutes are handed to JR, who may be the worst player in the history of Celtics basketball. He makes Marty Conlon look like Fred Carter.

I still think Walker is the guy they have more confidence in going forward, but I think he lost some ground with his injury, and Doc does not feel he is back in game-shape yet.

This is all speculation based on what I have seen of him, but I just think he looks much more like he did in college after his knee surgery, than he did later last year.  He is clearly heavy, and is lacking the explosiveness he used to have. 

Because of this, I don't think Doc feels right giving him the minutes over JR, who has been with the team, practicing, and working hard all season, even if he is a total spaz. 

When it comes down to it, I think neither of these guys are NBA players RIGHT NOW.  Giddens does not seem to have the head for it, and Walker is still very raw.

The fact that when Walker has played for the C's, he has played PF tells me a lot about how much they think he needs to improve his perimeter game, as well as how slow he is at the moment.

Walker got his first minutes in ages two nights ago, in which he posterized a would-be defender and showed nice confidence in his jumper. Giddens looks absolutely scared stiff. The offense is playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor. To call him a d-leaguer is an understatement. If the Cs hadn't drafted him in the 1st round he wouldn't be in the NBA anymore.

I just don't see the harm in giving Billy 10 minutes a night for a week or two to see how he performs. In it's current state this team really isn't all that good anyway -- 7-7 in our last 14 -- why not? The worst thing that happens is Paul bangs knees with a few fewer dudes in the dog days of the season.

[Chris]

100% agree with "Who" on this. I would take my lumps with either Walker or Giddens rather than seeing Ray and Paul being ground down. It just doesn't make sense. I'd choose Giddens as well. I know he's a spaz, but he has NBA level athleticism, is a good rebounder, works really hard on defense.

Again, I know he's a spaz, but sometimes that comes from fear to. He's tryign so hard to impress while also looking like greatly fearing making any mistake.

Sometimes with a bit more regular rotation, confidence can gorw and he might "settle" more and produce a bit more efficiently. I think Giddens has made some strides this year.

He's at least "less hectic" on the floor and makes some occasional decent plays.    

On the Walker vs. Giddens debate -- give Walker some minutes before making up your mind. Free the man for Pete's sake. He should be given an opportunity before minutes are handed to JR, who may be the worst player in the history of Celtics basketball. He makes Marty Conlon look like Fred Carter.

I still think Walker is the guy they have more confidence in going forward, but I think he lost some ground with his injury, and Doc does not feel he is back in game-shape yet.

This is all speculation based on what I have seen of him, but I just think he looks much more like he did in college after his knee surgery, than he did later last year.  He is clearly heavy, and is lacking the explosiveness he used to have. 

Because of this, I don't think Doc feels right giving him the minutes over JR, who has been with the team, practicing, and working hard all season, even if he is a total spaz. 

When it comes down to it, I think neither of these guys are NBA players RIGHT NOW.  Giddens does not seem to have the head for it, and Walker is still very raw.

The fact that when Walker has played for the C's, he has played PF tells me a lot about how much they think he needs to improve his perimeter game, as well as how slow he is at the moment.

Walker got his first minutes in ages two nights ago, in which he posterized a would-be defender and showed nice confidence in his jumper. Giddens looks absolutely scared stiff. The offense is playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor. To call him a d-leaguer is an understatement. If the Cs hadn't drafted him in the 1st round he wouldn't be in the NBA anymore.

I just don't see the harm in giving Billy 10 minutes a night for a week or two to see how he performs. In it's current state this team really isn't all that good anyway -- 7-7 in our last 14 -- why not? The worst thing that happens is Paul bangs knees with a few fewer dudes in the dog days of the season.

I honestly don't want to have this argument too much more, just because I think no one is going to budge.  You see no reason not to give a guy minutes, while I see no reason to give him minutes if he hasn't earned them.

But I do not see how him throwing down a dunk in garbage time against a team that may not win 10 games means anything at all. 

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100% agree with "Who" on this. I would take my lumps with either Walker or Giddens rather than seeing Ray and Paul being ground down. It just doesn't make sense. I'd choose Giddens as well. I know he's a spaz, but he has NBA level athleticism, is a good rebounder, works really hard on defense.

Again, I know he's a spaz, but sometimes that comes from fear to. He's tryign so hard to impress while also looking like greatly fearing making any mistake.

Sometimes with a bit more regular rotation, confidence can gorw and he might "settle" more and produce a bit more efficiently. I think Giddens has made some strides this year.

He's at least "less hectic" on the floor and makes some occasional decent plays.    

On the Walker vs. Giddens debate -- give Walker some minutes before making up your mind. Free the man for Pete's sake. He should be given an opportunity before minutes are handed to JR, who may be the worst player in the history of Celtics basketball. He makes Marty Conlon look like Fred Carter.

I still think Walker is the guy they have more confidence in going forward, but I think he lost some ground with his injury, and Doc does not feel he is back in game-shape yet.

This is all speculation based on what I have seen of him, but I just think he looks much more like he did in college after his knee surgery, than he did later last year.  He is clearly heavy, and is lacking the explosiveness he used to have. 

Because of this, I don't think Doc feels right giving him the minutes over JR, who has been with the team, practicing, and working hard all season, even if he is a total spaz. 

When it comes down to it, I think neither of these guys are NBA players RIGHT NOW.  Giddens does not seem to have the head for it, and Walker is still very raw.

The fact that when Walker has played for the C's, he has played PF tells me a lot about how much they think he needs to improve his perimeter game, as well as how slow he is at the moment.

Walker got his first minutes in ages two nights ago, in which he posterized a would-be defender and showed nice confidence in his jumper. Giddens looks absolutely scared stiff. The offense is playing 4 on 5 with him on the floor. To call him a d-leaguer is an understatement. If the Cs hadn't drafted him in the 1st round he wouldn't be in the NBA anymore.

I just don't see the harm in giving Billy 10 minutes a night for a week or two to see how he performs. In it's current state this team really isn't all that good anyway -- 7-7 in our last 14 -- why not? The worst thing that happens is Paul bangs knees with a few fewer dudes in the dog days of the season.

I honestly don't want to have this argument too much more, just because I think no one is going to budge.  You see no reason not to give a guy minutes, while I see no reason to give him minutes if he hasn't earned them.

But I do not see how him throwing down a dunk in garbage time against a team that may not win 10 games means anything at all. 

It doesn't mean anything. You were saying he'd lost his explosiveness -- I was pointing out he looked pretty explosive there.

I haven't been spending time at Cs practice, so I don't know what he's earned. But I do know he's had a tough road, worked hard, come back from injury, etc. So if it would benefit the long term health of the team, i'm for it.

[fanofgreen]

Here is the problem Danny is facing right now.  If Daniels is healthy, they are probably OK at PG.  He can handle the duties well enough to get Rondo his rest and keep House off the ball.  

However, it looks like Daniels will be out for at least another month, and who knows if he will remain healthy after that.  So can they stick it out with Tony Allen as the second ball handler (and I use that term VERY loosely) for that long?

And of course making things even worse is the fact that there just aren't many other options out there right now, and this team may have bigger holes to fill at the trade deadline if they want to use their expiring contracts.  For example, if KG doesn't get better soon, they might need to start looking at bringing in another athletic big man.

Ultimately, I think Danny is going to wait it out.  He will keep his eyes on the waivers to see if someone comes free, and he will stay open to ideas for trades.  But unless another injury happens, he will probably try to stick it out until the trade deadline, and buyouts.

But here's the thing. If Tony is going to be our 2nd ball handler or backup pg, that only means that those 8-10 minutes Tony is being backup point guard is 8-10 minutes of rest Ray or Paul will not get. Increasing their minutes.

Oh, I agree (although with Tony at PG, that means House is playing SG to give those guys a rest).  If Danny is going to continue to wait it out, Doc needs to find someone else to put in the rotation.  He had been using Scal at SF before Wallace went down, but that wasn't working too well.  So Doc probably needs to bite the Bullet and give Giddens or Walker some time right now, just to give some other guys some rest.

The other option would be a 10 day contract, but I really don't see anyone out there who could step in right now and give this team minutes.

What about trading for (little used) Sasha Pavlovic in Minnesota?
What about trading maybe Tony Allen and Shelden or JR for Keyon Dooling?

I think these two very plausible moves that could step up and give this team the productive minutes off the bench we desperately need.

[Chris]

Here is the problem Danny is facing right now.  If Daniels is healthy, they are probably OK at PG.  He can handle the duties well enough to get Rondo his rest and keep House off the ball.  

However, it looks like Daniels will be out for at least another month, and who knows if he will remain healthy after that.  So can they stick it out with Tony Allen as the second ball handler (and I use that term VERY loosely) for that long?

And of course making things even worse is the fact that there just aren't many other options out there right now, and this team may have bigger holes to fill at the trade deadline if they want to use their expiring contracts.  For example, if KG doesn't get better soon, they might need to start looking at bringing in another athletic big man.

Ultimately, I think Danny is going to wait it out.  He will keep his eyes on the waivers to see if someone comes free, and he will stay open to ideas for trades.  But unless another injury happens, he will probably try to stick it out until the trade deadline, and buyouts.

But here's the thing. If Tony is going to be our 2nd ball handler or backup pg, that only means that those 8-10 minutes Tony is being backup point guard is 8-10 minutes of rest Ray or Paul will not get. Increasing their minutes.

Oh, I agree (although with Tony at PG, that means House is playing SG to give those guys a rest).  If Danny is going to continue to wait it out, Doc needs to find someone else to put in the rotation.  He had been using Scal at SF before Wallace went down, but that wasn't working too well.  So Doc probably needs to bite the Bullet and give Giddens or Walker some time right now, just to give some other guys some rest.

The other option would be a 10 day contract, but I really don't see anyone out there who could step in right now and give this team minutes.

What about trading for (little used) Sasha Pavlovic in Minnesota?
What about trading maybe Tony Allen and Shelden or JR for Keyon Dooling?

I think these two very plausible moves that could step up and give this team the productive minutes off the bench we desperately need.

Well, Dooling is not good enough to give up your expiring contracts for right now.  He is a mediocre player even when he is healthy, and there is a good chance he will be bought out anyways.

As for Pavlovic, why would the T-Wolves trade him, unless they were getting value back, that the C's don't have to give up?

Ultimately though, the issue is that the C's are not in a desperate enough situation to give up their assets right now.  A deal that is too good to turn down might come up before the deadline, and they don't want to be out of the running too early by giving away their expiring contracts for bit pieces like Dooling.

Now, if they cannot make something else happen before the deadline, those are the type of deals they could make (especially if it also saves them luxury tax money and/or opens up an extra roster spot for buyout guys), but its just not going to happen yet.

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Here is the problem Danny is facing right now.  If Daniels is healthy, they are probably OK at PG.  He can handle the duties well enough to get Rondo his rest and keep House off the ball.  

However, it looks like Daniels will be out for at least another month, and who knows if he will remain healthy after that.  So can they stick it out with Tony Allen as the second ball handler (and I use that term VERY loosely) for that long?

And of course making things even worse is the fact that there just aren't many other options out there right now, and this team may have bigger holes to fill at the trade deadline if they want to use their expiring contracts.  For example, if KG doesn't get better soon, they might need to start looking at bringing in another athletic big man.

Ultimately, I think Danny is going to wait it out.  He will keep his eyes on the waivers to see if someone comes free, and he will stay open to ideas for trades.  But unless another injury happens, he will probably try to stick it out until the trade deadline, and buyouts.

But here's the thing. If Tony is going to be our 2nd ball handler or backup pg, that only means that those 8-10 minutes Tony is being backup point guard is 8-10 minutes of rest Ray or Paul will not get. Increasing their minutes.

Oh, I agree (although with Tony at PG, that means House is playing SG to give those guys a rest).  If Danny is going to continue to wait it out, Doc needs to find someone else to put in the rotation.  He had been using Scal at SF before Wallace went down, but that wasn't working too well.  So Doc probably needs to bite the Bullet and give Giddens or Walker some time right now, just to give some other guys some rest.

The other option would be a 10 day contract, but I really don't see anyone out there who could step in right now and give this team minutes.

What about trading for (little used) Sasha Pavlovic in Minnesota?
What about trading maybe Tony Allen and Shelden or JR for Keyon Dooling?

I think these two very plausible moves that could step up and give this team the productive minutes off the bench we desperately need.

Well, Dooling is not good enough to give up your expiring contracts for right now.  He is a mediocre player even when he is healthy, and there is a good chance he will be bought out anyways.

As for Pavlovic, why would the T-Wolves trade him, unless they were getting value back, that the C's don't have to give up?

Ultimately though, the issue is that the C's are not in a desperate enough situation to give up their assets right now.  A deal that is too good to turn down might come up before the deadline, and they don't want to be out of the running too early by giving away their expiring contracts for bit pieces like Dooling.

Now, if they cannot make something else happen before the deadline, those are the type of deals they could make (especially if it also saves them luxury tax money and/or opens up an extra roster spot for buyout guys), but its just not going to happen yet.

Agreed. Some very interesting players are going to come up before the deadline. You don't trade our expiring contracts for the likes of Dooling or Pavlovic right now. These players are not good enough to supply legitimate minutes to the Cs right now.

[fanofgreen]

Here is the problem Danny is facing right now.  If Daniels is healthy, they are probably OK at PG.  He can handle the duties well enough to get Rondo his rest and keep House off the ball.  

However, it looks like Daniels will be out for at least another month, and who knows if he will remain healthy after that.  So can they stick it out with Tony Allen as the second ball handler (and I use that term VERY loosely) for that long?

And of course making things even worse is the fact that there just aren't many other options out there right now, and this team may have bigger holes to fill at the trade deadline if they want to use their expiring contracts.  For example, if KG doesn't get better soon, they might need to start looking at bringing in another athletic big man.

Ultimately, I think Danny is going to wait it out.  He will keep his eyes on the waivers to see if someone comes free, and he will stay open to ideas for trades.  But unless another injury happens, he will probably try to stick it out until the trade deadline, and buyouts.

But here's the thing. If Tony is going to be our 2nd ball handler or backup pg, that only means that those 8-10 minutes Tony is being backup point guard is 8-10 minutes of rest Ray or Paul will not get. Increasing their minutes.

Oh, I agree (although with Tony at PG, that means House is playing SG to give those guys a rest).  If Danny is going to continue to wait it out, Doc needs to find someone else to put in the rotation.  He had been using Scal at SF before Wallace went down, but that wasn't working too well.  So Doc probably needs to bite the Bullet and give Giddens or Walker some time right now, just to give some other guys some rest.

The other option would be a 10 day contract, but I really don't see anyone out there who could step in right now and give this team minutes.

What about trading for (little used) Sasha Pavlovic in Minnesota?
What about trading maybe Tony Allen and Shelden or JR for Keyon Dooling?

I think these two very plausible moves that could step up and give this team the productive minutes off the bench we desperately need.

Well, Dooling is not good enough to give up your expiring contracts for right now.  He is a mediocre player even when he is healthy, and there is a good chance he will be bought out anyways.

As for Pavlovic, why would the T-Wolves trade him, unless they were getting value back, that the C's don't have to give up?

Ultimately though, the issue is that the C's are not in a desperate enough situation to give up their assets right now.  A deal that is too good to turn down might come up before the deadline, and they don't want to be out of the running too early by giving away their expiring contracts for bit pieces like Dooling.

Now, if they cannot make something else happen before the deadline, those are the type of deals they could make (especially if it also saves them luxury tax money and/or opens up an extra roster spot for buyout guys), but its just not going to happen yet.

Agreed. Some very interesting players are going to come up before the deadline. You don't trade our expiring contracts for the likes of Dooling or Pavlovic right now. These players are not good enough to supply legitimate minutes to the Cs right now.

I would do the trade for Dooling. But i do see your point about the contract.

The T'wolves would do the deal for Sasha, because #1 David Kahn is the GM, #2 I think if we traded expiring for expiring the contract issue cancels out, and I think we could cut a deal like Shelden and cash for Sasha,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, or JR and 2nd rnd pick for Sasha.

[footey]

Is Alston still available? I'd sign him.

[fanofgreen]

Is Alston still available? I'd sign him.

Miami snatched him up already

[Jon]

I'd also wait to see two things:

1) What happens when Marquis Daniels comes back.

2) How Doc utilized Daniels. 

To me, Doc didn't utilized Daniels enough as a playmaker when he was healthy.  Too often House or Ray/Paul was bringing the ball up the court.  When he gets back, I think we need to run him at the point and see how that goes before we get all bent out of shape about the backup PG position.