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Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 06:30:43 PM »

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I have always like TA, and had to defend him during his recovery from the knee, which most bashers won't even acknowledge happened. ( see KG- not much dunking-knee) Now that he is recovered, a lot of things won't show up on the stats, saving a ball going out of bounds, picking up a loose one, the GREAT D on Miami's best player and a league leader, slashing when the C's can't but an outside shot...sometimes just one slashing  layup, or one of his, "get out of my way, I'm dunking on you-all fools" plays fires our team up, he is ALL over the rebounds, has a hand in at least a third of them when he is on the floor....no rebounds, no championship ( I think
Pat Riley correctly said that)...so he isn't perfect, WOW, who is, turnovers, I have watched PP ISO turnover, Ray, Perk, KG...BBD.....except a lot of folks here just look the other way when THEY do it......seeing only what you want doesn't make other people NOT see it....! If he keeps this up, then there it is. Even if he didn't, look what he gave us IN THE PLAYOFFS, otherwise known as the only time it really matters...! (mostly!).

You know you are so right about Tony firing up the team.  When TA was getting his legs back (both times) whenever he made a play the entire team responded positively and Tony was always visibly very pumped up.

Another great thing about Tony is when he is on the bench he is the first guy up cheering, waving his towel and supporting his teammates. Not enough can be said about that.

That is right on ...being a good team mate can be tough when you are on the bench a few games in a row..Tony always kept his chin up ( like my boy Sheldon!) and those are the side things that makes for a great TEAM.....! That is also known as HEART-Celtic style..!!!

Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 09:27:55 PM »

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Contract time is coming up this summer, which makes this an ideal time for a TA retrospective.  A well earned TP to Roy for putting this together to meet the moment.

The per-36 stats were the most insightful.  During the "breakout" pre-injury games, TA scored in bunches...and had the highest TO ratio of his career.  He truly kept both teams in the game, and we usually lost that year (06/7).  Still, those were rather desperate times, and a potential aggressive 20 point scoring SG met the need of soothing the depression in a way that Southern Comfort proved inadequate.  I was hopeful that Tony might just turn out to be an important, major-minutes piece.

Unfortunately, many allowed themselves to be misled, possibly including Tony himself, that his NBA role was destined to be that of a scorer.

At other times, due to roster need, TA filled the backup PG role.  A 6'4" PG is an asset; a 6'4" SG is average, and we went a very long time without a true PG, so it made sense (I guess) to audition TA for that role.

But that isn't it, either.  The less time TA has the ball in his hands, the fewer "bad tony" turnover opportunities there are.  That means we'll see him going "good tony" things more often, with fewer "bad tony" interruptions (the pass to the fan in the 3rd row is my fav).  So he seems to be "different" when he is really only being used differently, or, rather, how he should have been used all along, if not for vain attempts to plug roster holes at wing scorer or utility PG.

And this is what we've seen more of.  The numbers (thanks again, Roy) don't show any remarkable change.  What is different is that he's not trying to score, but is getting mostly garbage points, off rebounds, cuts, etc.  He's not trying to have the offense run through him as though he is the focal point.  He's focusing on playing great D, getting to the open spot (via some nice cuts), chasing the ball down (loose and rebound), and as a consequence, good things are happening. 

He's also playing as few  minutes as ever, which can really reinforce the idea that he isn't the focal point of anything, but is a role player.  That role is more clearly defined now than it has been, perhaps, in his entire Celtic NBA career.  Like he always has, Tony is doing what he's told.  He hasn't changed, but maybe, just maybe, after what-7 years?, his coaches have; they've learned how to use Tony to help us win: as a 16 minute energetic defense-first player who scraps for rebounds and loose balls on offense, always looking to put the opponent on his heels at both ends of the floor.

I still think if Tony were put on an NBA team and told to average 20 points in 35 (or whatever) minutes, he very well might...and, like 2007, that team would lose consistently.  And tickets for the 3rd row would cost a small fortune.  Will some crappy team make him an offer this summer in hopes that, finally healthy, he can grow into a larger role (a la the deal Trevor Ariza got)?  We'll see, but the numbers suggest he would be better off doing exactly what he's doing now.

Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2010, 09:36:07 PM »

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I'm glad you liked the thread, MB.  It's something that I've been thinking about a little lately, and finally decided to explore the issue a bit.

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Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2010, 10:49:28 PM »

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I'm glad you liked the thread, MB.  It's something that I've been thinking about a little lately, and finally decided to explore the issue a bit.

Yes, perfect timing.  I must admit to a violent cringe when it was pseudo-announced that TA would be the backup PG this postseason, since it was so great for the team (in my view) that he had settled into a nice, tidy, 16-minute backup wing role and was being relatively successful in it...figuring that Doc was tinkering with something that seemed to work.  Time will tell.

Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2010, 01:42:19 PM »

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Congrats, Roy.

This piece made Bruce Allen's Blog Links on Bostonsportsmedia.com.

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Pretty sweet honor.


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Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2010, 01:44:42 PM »

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Congrats, Roy.

This piece made Bruce Allen's Blog Links on Bostonsportsmedia.com.

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Pretty sweet honor.

Nice. I'm glad folks encouraged me to put it up on the front page, because originally this was just going to be a forum post.

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Re: Is "Good Tony" a myth?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2010, 12:22:34 PM »

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Agreeing with you again, Meadow, and another tp for you, sir.
Good post, Roy.