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Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2009, 01:10:43 PM »

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We have strict rules about celebrating TD's and game wins in the NFL, but it's ok for LeBron to put on a sideline dance show and draw attention to himself, other than the game going on? Bit of a double-standard, if you ask me. Saying "The guy's just being LeBron" is a sad excuse for accepting behavior from him that we wouldn't from others, simply because he's a superstar.

Sorry, but the guy needs to grow up, set an example for others, and start to realize that when a game is going on, that's where his focus should be, not on showing off his dance skills, (or actually his lack of dance skills), or proving to the world something we already know: the guys is incredibly arrogant and self-centered.

Yes, there is a huge contingent of fans who just adore the guy and would condone anything he does simply on the grounds that he's one of the best ballers of all time ... but there's also a large contingent of others who find such selfishness and arrogance sickening, and would prefer he do his dancing and self-idolization at home in front of a mirror. I lean toward the second group ... grow up, LeBron.

Double standard much?  The guy in your avatar believes it is okay to cuss out every player on the floor and the fans in basketball games and you have a problem with dancing? 

Please

Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #76 on: December 08, 2009, 02:01:18 PM »

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Sexist or not, LeCrab is at least right.  Why the need for political correctness?  There isn't one woman I've seen that could honestly compete on an NBA roster.

Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2009, 02:05:20 PM »

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Sexist or not, LeCrab is at least right.  Why the need for political correctness?  There isn't one woman I've seen that could honestly compete on an NBA roster.
I just don't see that he said one thing wrong in his statement after being asked a question. I hate LeBron, I mean really despise the guy but I think he's 100% on the money here and said nothing wrong.

Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2009, 02:16:57 PM »

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Sexist or not, LeCrab is at least right.  Why the need for political correctness?  There isn't one woman I've seen that could honestly compete on an NBA roster.

Yeah I'd have to agree with Lebron..his statement taken literally means that he can't see a woman competing right now on an NBA roster, as I interpret it.

Now in 10-20 years? Maybe sooner than that? Well "Anything's Possible".....

Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2009, 03:09:26 PM »

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We have strict rules about celebrating TD's and game wins in the NFL, but it's ok for LeBron to put on a sideline dance show and draw attention to himself, other than the game going on? Bit of a double-standard, if you ask me. Saying "The guy's just being LeBron" is a sad excuse for accepting behavior from him that we wouldn't from others, simply because he's a superstar.

Sorry, but the guy needs to grow up, set an example for others, and start to realize that when a game is going on, that's where his focus should be, not on showing off his dance skills, (or actually his lack of dance skills), or proving to the world something we already know: the guys is incredibly arrogant and self-centered.

Yes, there is a huge contingent of fans who just adore the guy and would condone anything he does simply on the grounds that he's one of the best ballers of all time ... but there's also a large contingent of others who find such selfishness and arrogance sickening, and would prefer he do his dancing and self-idolization at home in front of a mirror. I lean toward the second group ... grow up, LeBron.

Double standard much?  The guy in your avatar believes it is okay to cuss out every player on the floor and the fans in basketball games and you have a problem with dancing? 

Please

Firstly, I thought this thread was about LeBron's arrogance and sexism? While I don't think his statements here are sexist, I do believe he is incredibly arrogant, and that's what I was talking about. There's a big difference between cussing and trash talk, (which goes on all the time in the NBA and very few are immune), and doing everything you can to bring attention to yourself.

Secondly, we weren't discussing the "guy in my avatar", we were discussing LeBron, and if you don't think he's arrogant, then that's your opinion, (which you're entitled to), but most who pay even slight attention to the Cavaliers know how self-centered he is. If you think KG's trash-talking is indicative of the same kind of selfishness, then start a thread about it.

I personally don't see where that kind of talk has as much to do with being self-centered as it does with just being aggressive. To draw a direct line between LeBron's dancing antics and KG's trash-talking is quite a stretch ... but I'm sure a die-hard "King James" fan can manage it. You ought to know though, that the trash-talking and cussing KG does is also done by probably 80% of the other players in the NBA ... I don't recall that many doing the "Here I am, I'm great!" dance crap ... or any, for that matter.

By the way, the "guy in my avatar" is a Celtic, LeBron is a Cavalier ... you sure you're in the right city?   ???
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Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2009, 03:26:29 PM »

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Sexist or not, LeCrab is at least right.  Why the need for political correctness?  There isn't one woman I've seen that could honestly compete on an NBA roster.

LeCrab!  Love that name! ;D
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Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #81 on: December 08, 2009, 04:16:55 PM »

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By the way, the "guy in my avatar" is a Celtic, LeBron is a Cavalier ... you sure you're in the right city?   ???

Just to be clear, Cavs' fans can post here so long as they're respectful.  MMacOH is a long-standing poster who brings a unique perspective to the blog, and I'd ask that we don't isolate others.  (I doubt that was your intent, Bahku.  I'm just clarifying for everybody, since this comes up a lot.)

Also, I know we all get our hackles up a little when somebody criticizes the actions of our players, but here, I think a comparison between KG and Lebron is relevant.  It isn't necessarily 100% apt, but it's something that can at least be debated.

(Frankly, I'd prefer fans of other teams to make comparisons like that within existing threads, rather than starting a new thread.  If MMacOH, for instance, had started a new thread calling out KG, I think that would rub us all the wrong way.  What he did here, though, seems fine.)

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Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #82 on: December 08, 2009, 04:55:55 PM »

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By the way, the "guy in my avatar" is a Celtic, LeBron is a Cavalier ... you sure you're in the right city?   ???

Just to be clear, Cavs' fans can post here so long as they're respectful.  MMacOH is a long-standing poster who brings a unique perspective to the blog, and I'd ask that we don't isolate others.  (I doubt that was your intent, Bahku.  I'm just clarifying for everybody, since this comes up a lot.)

Also, I know we all get our hackles up a little when somebody criticizes the actions of our players, but here, I think a comparison between KG and Lebron is relevant.  It isn't necessarily 100% apt, but it's something that can at least be debated.

(Frankly, I'd prefer fans of other teams to make comparisons like that within existing threads, rather than starting a new thread.  If MMacOH, for instance, had started a new thread calling out KG, I think that would rub us all the wrong way.  What he did here, though, seems fine.)

I don't know everyone here or where they're from, so this was an obvious question to ask, especially when someone on a Celtics blog is taking a stab at one of our core players and defending LeBron ... and while his screen name insinuated he might be from elsewhere, I was not assuming anything, and asked the same question I would ask of a Boston resident, given similar circumstances.

As far as the comparison, I guess it's semantics, but I don't think it's a very direct route from trash-talking, (which doesn't have much bearing on self-centeredness), and putting on a sideline dance show during a game, (which has a great deal of bearing on it). The argument in this thread was about LeBron and his arrogance and sexism, and that's what I was commenting on.

Bringing KG into it and making the stretch that trash-talking is the same kind of self-centered behavior as LeBron's little performance was something I took exception to, without consideration as to where the other blogger was from, because I don't see how it even matters in this case. I was also being accused of setting a double-standard, and I'm going to defend that with the same amount of objectivity as to the bloggers origin, because I don't see trash-talking and sideline dancing as remotely the same kind of behavior or even motivated by the same personality traits.

Is KG arrogant? I would most likely vote yes on that one nine times out of ten, though I don't think it's the same kind of arrogance at all. But despite that discussion, and aside from it, KG's intensity and trash-talking and "cussing" is not at all the same as putting on a dance display the likes of LeBron's. But then again, I'm just a biased Celtic fan, so pretty much anything I say will not appear as "objective" as someone from out-of-town. So be it ... I'm a homer.

(I also take exception to the use of sarcasm: "Double-standard much?" and condescension: "Please" ... I think he could have made his points in a much more diplomatic fashion).
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Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2009, 10:15:38 AM »

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Bahku, I was specifically referring to your comment that Lebron needs to 'grow up, set an example for others.' 

Would you rather your son see a guy dancing on the court or cussing up a storm and screaming at fans?

Obviously you are a Celtics fan so KG's antics will be overlooked by you (as Lebron's will be overlooked by myself).

Honestly, I would rather the guys just go out and play ball, but that's enevr going to happen. 

Re: LeBron's Arrogance (Not to mention sexism)
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2009, 07:59:24 PM »

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Bird was a cheaper opponent than Garnett and James put together. A recent interview of him about the "camaraderie" going on in the NBA and LeBron's "no handshake" affair is very telling. In terms of gentlemanship and patters of conduct basketball is not rugby and, for one, I appreciate that (just like I appreciate that rugby is not basketball).