Nocioni/Posey/Alexander

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Posey and Nocioni are pretty interchangable in terms of performance/position/salary.  Alexander is far more POB than Shelden Williams is.  Williams struggled but he knows how to play.  Alexander is an extreme project, and Skiles said he hasn't gotten more minutes because he's still clueless in terms of knowing the plays and rotations.  That sounds like POB.

Alexander isn't playing this year because he's injured. POB had a long record of not being able to step his game up in the pros.

Alexander came out of a solid program at WV and was a hard worker there. POB even had questions about his work ethic in college.

I think Shelden is fair comparison for Alexander in regard to a player who hasn't quite figured out how to contribute at the pro level.

I agree he would be a gamble (especially with the hamstring injury) but i still would be intrigued.

Sheldon accomplished a great deal at the AAA / College level. Alexander was more about athletic appeal with ltd accomplishment.

[Who]

so far, Alexander = Gerald Green.  Good height, great athleticism, good outside shooting touch, no brain.

really? I haven't seen that. I just think the sample size is too small to make that conclusion.

I never heard BBall IQ being called into question in college. Last year was a big disappointment, but I thought i saw a different player coming into this season.

I remember complaints about Alexander's inability to learn plays offensively + defensive scheme during his rookie season. Then again, he was a rookie so you don't want to read too much into that. He may just need more time to get that down.

[moiso]

Posey and Nocioni are pretty interchangable in terms of performance/position/salary.  Alexander is far more POB than Shelden Williams is.  Williams struggled but he knows how to play.  Alexander is an extreme project, and Skiles said he hasn't gotten more minutes because he's still clueless in terms of knowing the plays and rotations.  That sounds like POB.

Alexander isn't playing this year because he's injured. POB had a long record of not being able to step his game up in the pros.

Alexander came out of a solid program at WV and was a hard worker there. POB even had questions about his work ethic in college.

I think Shelden is fair comparison for Alexander in regard to a player who hasn't quite figured out how to contribute at the pro level.

I agree he would be a gamble (especially with the hamstring injury) but i still would be intrigued.

He's still got a lot of potential, I just don't think the C's are the right team for him.  He needs to get a lot of minutes on a lottery team for a year or two.  I mean, if he can't crack the Bucks rotation, he's not going to contribute anything to a title run right now.

[winsomme]

Shelden Williams had already proven himself to be (1) a very good rebounder (2) a good team defender + good man-to-man defender against certain types of players (slow PFs, or small slow C's) but struggled against others (perimeter PFs, athletic PFs, tall long C's).

Joe Alexander has shown no above average NBA skill.

but Shelden has been on 4 teams in a little more than three seasons and couldn't get PT on a terrible Kings team.

I mean, I agree that Shelden had shown more as a pro (prior to coming here) than Alexander, but he's also had more opportunity to show it. and hardly anybody was after him this off season.

All I'm saying is that not all guys that struggle early in their career are POBs. plus, I think i saw a maturing player in Alexander leading into this season.

[moiso]

Shelden Williams had already proven himself to be (1) a very good rebounder (2) a good team defender + good man-to-man defender against certain types of players (slow PFs, or small slow C's) but struggled against others (perimeter PFs, athletic PFs, tall long C's).

Joe Alexander has shown no above average NBA skill.

but Shelden has been on 4 teams in a little more than two seasons and couldn't get PT on a terrible Kings team.

I mean, I agree that Shelden had shown more as a pro (prior to coming here) than Alexander, but he's also had more opportunity to show it. and hardly anybody was after him this off season.

All I'm saying is that not all guys that struggle early in their career are POBs. plus, I think i saw a maturing player in Alexander leading into this season.

Yeah but Shelden's struggles were because he had trouble finishing at the rim and adjusting to the size and athleticism of nba players.  Alexander's struggles are because he doesn't know how to play.

[winsomme]

Posey and Nocioni are pretty interchangable in terms of performance/position/salary.  Alexander is far more POB than Shelden Williams is.  Williams struggled but he knows how to play.  Alexander is an extreme project, and Skiles said he hasn't gotten more minutes because he's still clueless in terms of knowing the plays and rotations.  That sounds like POB.

Alexander isn't playing this year because he's injured. POB had a long record of not being able to step his game up in the pros.

Alexander came out of a solid program at WV and was a hard worker there. POB even had questions about his work ethic in college.

I think Shelden is fair comparison for Alexander in regard to a player who hasn't quite figured out how to contribute at the pro level.

I agree he would be a gamble (especially with the hamstring injury) but i still would be intrigued.

He's still got a lot of potential, I just don't think the C's are the right team for him.  He needs to get a lot of minutes on a lottery team for a year or two.  I mean, if he can't crack the Bucks rotation, he's not going to contribute anything to a title run right now.

strangely, MIL has a bunch of REALLY interesting SF/PF types on their roster. and I would take just about all of them on the Cs as an added piece.

MBah, Ilyasova, Delfino, Warrick

Plus, Alexander is injured right now. so I don't know how much to read into that. MIL didn't pick up his option because they have interesting prospects at his position and didn't want to spend the big money on him, but that could make him a sneaky good pick up.

The other thing is that on the Cs he really wouldn't have to take a huge role. Our first 4 players off the bench is solid and fairly set right now. I think we could afford to have one young inexperienced piece coming off the bench with a season to figure out how to make a contribution.

anyway, i'd still prefer Pose, Noci. Alexander is just another guy that piques my interest.

[winsomme]

Shelden Williams had already proven himself to be (1) a very good rebounder (2) a good team defender + good man-to-man defender against certain types of players (slow PFs, or small slow C's) but struggled against others (perimeter PFs, athletic PFs, tall long C's).

Joe Alexander has shown no above average NBA skill.

but Shelden has been on 4 teams in a little more than two seasons and couldn't get PT on a terrible Kings team.

I mean, I agree that Shelden had shown more as a pro (prior to coming here) than Alexander, but he's also had more opportunity to show it. and hardly anybody was after him this off season.

All I'm saying is that not all guys that struggle early in their career are POBs. plus, I think i saw a maturing player in Alexander leading into this season.

Yeah but Shelden's struggles were because he had trouble finishing at the rim and adjusting to the size and athleticism of nba players.  Alexander's struggles are because he doesn't know how to play.

time will tell, but I think Alexander (like Shelden) also hasn't been able to adjust to the size and athleticism of NBA players...and maybe more importantly, the speed of the game.

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Posey and Nocioni are pretty interchangable in terms of performance/position/salary.  Alexander is far more POB than Shelden Williams is.  Williams struggled but he knows how to play.  Alexander is an extreme project, and Skiles said he hasn't gotten more minutes because he's still clueless in terms of knowing the plays and rotations.  That sounds like POB.

Alexander isn't playing this year because he's injured. POB had a long record of not being able to step his game up in the pros.

Alexander came out of a solid program at WV and was a hard worker there. POB even had questions about his work ethic in college.

I think Shelden is fair comparison for Alexander in regard to a player who hasn't quite figured out how to contribute at the pro level.

I agree he would be a gamble (especially with the hamstring injury) but i still would be intrigued.

He's still got a lot of potential, I just don't think the C's are the right team for him.  He needs to get a lot of minutes on a lottery team for a year or two.  I mean, if he can't crack the Bucks rotation, he's not going to contribute anything to a title run right now.

strangely, MIL has a bunch of REALLY interesting SF/PF types on their roster. and I would take just about all of them on the Cs as an added piece.

MBah, Ilyasova, Delfino, Warrick

Plus, Alexander is injured right now. so I don't know how much to read into that. MIL didn't pick up his option because they have interesting prospects at his position and didn't want to spend the big money on him, but that could make him a sneaky good pick up.

The other thing is that on the Cs he really wouldn't have to take a huge role. Our first 4 players off the bench is solid and fairly set right now. I think we could afford to have one young inexperienced piece coming off the bench with a season to figure out how to make a contribution.

anyway, i'd still prefer Pose, Noci. Alexander is just another guy that piques my interest.

I keep arguing for trying to pry Mbah a Moute away by taking back Gadzuric, offering Bill Walker or a pick, whatever. I'd much rather have Gadzuric and Luc Richard than Noce or Posey.

[Who]

strangely, MIL has a bunch of REALLY interesting SF/PF types on their roster. and I would take just about all of them on the Cs as an added piece.

MBah, Ilyasova, Delfino, Warrick

Milwaukee has a really under-rated roster. They have a lot of decent-to-good role players on that squad. Those four SF/PFs that you mentioned ... and also, Luke Ridnour to backup Jennings, and Kurt Thomas + Francisco Elson + Dan Gadzuric backing up the center position.

The Bucks don't get enough credit for the amount of talent that is actually on their roster.

They need to get Charlie Bell out of that rotation (backup SG) though! Jodie Meeks looks a little too one-dimensional to handle that role. Nice shooter/scorer though. That's the one spot (backup two guard) in their rotation where the Bucks don't have a decent or better role player. The Bucks do not get enough credit for their role players; the value that they have and the contributions that they make.

[Roy Hobbs]

I'd probably prefer Nocioni.  He's younger, is playing substantially better than Posey (both last year and this year), and has a more versatile game.  He's equally as good of a shooter, and he can get to the hoop.

Nocioni isn't the defender that Posey used to be, but Posey seems to have lost a step.  Also, offensively, I worry about adding yet another player who does little other than shoot threes; we already have two of those type of guys on the bench.

I like Posey, but from what I've seen, he seems to have gone a little "Mark Blount" on the Hornets.

[mgent]

I'd probably prefer Nocioni.  He's younger, is playing substantially better than Posey (both last year and this year), and has a more versatile game.  He's equally as good of a shooter, and he can get to the hoop.

Nocioni isn't the defender that Posey used to be, but Posey seems to have lost a step.  Also, offensively, I worry about adding yet another player who does little other than shoot threes; we already have two of those type of guys on the bench.

I like Posey, but from what I've seen, he seems to have gone a little "Mark Blount" on the Hornets.

Still, I'd say Posey is a better defender, and defense is what we really need off the bench.  Between Marquis, Eddie, and Rasheed we have enough offensive options.

Also, I'd rather see Posey out there with the starters.  Neither Posey or Nocioni is a better offensive option than any of the starters, but at least Posey is big help on the other side of the court.

And I think on our defensive team Posey will start playing more like his old self.  I don't think he's really declined this much in one year.  It's likely just because the Hornets suck.

[scoop]

If Posey is only having a slow start, I'd easily take him over Nocioni. He's older, but El Chapu has a lot of games under his legs, has been playing through injuries for the last 3 seasons and never rests in the Summer. Plus, last season Posey was an immensely superior defender. Nocioni hustles and is physical, but he doesn't defend.

Alexander is just a terrible player atm. One of the rawest players I've ever seen in the NBA - at the start of last season, he wasn't even able to slide his feet correctly, something most 13 years old can do. There are complains about his work ethic, he's too slow to defend the perimeter, too small to defend inside, a terrible rebounder and not very smart. The only thing he does well is getting separation to get his shot off, but he ends up missing them anyway (doesn't keep balance). In the past Summer League he showed progress attacking the rim from the pinch post with 3 quick dribbles, but the competition was weak. This guy had 4 months of college basketball where he played well above his head and that guaranteed him a high draft pick. Maybe he can some day become a solid bench player, but it's someone you can offer a non-guaranteed contract next season. No point in acquiring him now.