Are the Celts in trouble if Kobe learns the Dream Shake?

[moiso]

Like fafnir said, he's already great down there.  It will just give him another option for the time being.  It will help more as he gets older though, as it creates seperation from the defense.  MJ mastered it in his Wizards years.  KG has a great one when he's in the mood to post up.

[action781]

The reason the Dream Shake worked is because of the position he established and his height. The shorter the player the harder it is to make a hook shot or turn around work reliably.

Yes, but Hakeem was a 6'10" player despite the attempts at trying to cast him as a full 7 footer. Kobe is 6'7", not exactly a midget in comparison. If Kobe can't establish position, then in effect, he's not doing the move, and the turnaround will be a poor shot attempt.

How can you say Hakeem was 6'10" as opposed to 7 feet, yet Kobe is 6'7" when I've never heard him cited at that height - always 6'6"?  You think Kobe is only 3 inches shorter than Hakeem? 

So many people do this move already.  I've seen Rondo do it, I've seen Tony Parker do it, numerous players already have.  Great move no doubt, but you it's not a real go to move, if you do it over and over the defender eventually knows where the ball is coming from.

Then why did David Robinson nor Shaq never know where the ball was coming from after 7 game series of seeing it over and over?

[RAcker]

Why is this thread still alive?   

[TitleMaster]

How can you say Hakeem was 6'10" as opposed to 7 feet

I've heard between 6'10" & 6'11" from various places.

http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OLAJUHA01

[Silent Storm]

Would the rest of the league be in trouble if the Celtics had a team consisting of stars like KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo and Wallace? Oh wait, they totally do 

[mjohnson]

Would the rest of the league be in trouble if the Celtics had a team consisting of stars like KG, Allen, Pierce, Rondo and Wallace? Oh wait, they totally do 

wait, the league are totally in trouble... an ESPN dime told that a team is in trouble whenever they have the C's in a game. A player is also in trouble whenever he was assigned to guard Melo...

[Greenbean]

How can you say Hakeem was 6'10" as opposed to 7 feet

I've heard between 6'10" & 6'11" from various places.

http://www.basketballreference.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=OLAJUHA01

Hakeem's wingspan made him a 7 footer, even if his frame was a little shorter. He also had the weight to be a great post player.

The point is that Kobe is guarded by quicker defenders who could stay with those "shakey" fakes a little better than even the quickest centers (1995 David Robinson).

While it is still a good weapon for Kobe, it will not be as unstoppable as the Dream's in his prime.

[Fan from VT]

This is a little ridiculous. All these named moves are just relatively common moves that got named because a certain player was really good at them. For instance, every player in the NBA has a "Jordan Turnaround," but no one is as good at it as Jordan was.

It's like saying "Are the Celts in trouble if Kobe learns Allen Iverson's crossover from 1998-2002?" Ummm...yes, if Kobe was suddenly as fast and quick off the dribble as AI was back then, everyone would be in trouble. But he never will be. AI's signature crossover was just a crossover done by AI. The Dream Shake is just post moves and fakes done by Hakeem. So no, it doesn't matter if Kobe learns something called the "Dream Shake." It's just a matter of guarding Kobe's post moves, which many other 2/3's are strong and fast enough to do. The problem with Hakeem was he was KG-fast, but bigger, so no one could guard him, whatever moves he did and whatever they were called.

[Greenbean]

This is a little ridiculous. All these named moves are just relatively common moves that got named because a certain player was really good at them. For instance, every player in the NBA has a "Jordan Turnaround," but no one is as good at it as Jordan was.

It's like saying "Are the Celts in trouble if Kobe learns Allen Iverson's crossover from 1998-2002?" Ummm...yes, if Kobe was suddenly as fast and quick off the dribble as AI was back then, everyone would be in trouble. But he never will be. AI's signature crossover was just a crossover done by AI. The Dream Shake is just post moves and fakes done by Hakeem. So no, it doesn't matter if Kobe learns something called the "Dream Shake." It's just a matter of guarding Kobe's post moves, which many other 2/3's are strong and fast enough to do. The problem with Hakeem was he was KG-fast, but bigger, so no one could guard him, whatever moves he did and whatever they were called.

However you want to ask the question, it's still pretty relevant. I think everyone here understands that the Dream Shake was just a simple misdirection fake. So if Kobe starts to master this along with his already impressive post game, then he could potentially be a dominant scorer into his mid 30's like Jordan.

You did answer the question though. The moves Hakeem had were effective because he was going up against centers, not quick forwards or 2 guards.

[Rondo2287]

Ya this thread just needs to stop and stop being bumped. 

[Greenbean]

Ya this thread just needs to stop and stop being bumped. 

But you just bumped it...oh crap so did I. Sorry!

[ManUp]

I haven't really watch that much of Olujawon, but from what I can see it's his other moves that made the Dream Shake so great. He had all types of moves and shots that he could execute at anytime. He was great with Ball faking, and you never really knew what direction the shot was coming from. All the Dream Shake is, IMO, is a really exaggerated Ball fake. He turns almost completely around, and then pull back to his original position to get the shot off when you react off the initial fake. I don't think the move would be anywhere near as effective if he didn't have the other moves to keep you guessing.

[xmuscularghandix]

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