Michael Vick

[KungPoweChicken]

The point of the suspension is that it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  It is a right to be given a fair and speedy trial through the courts and as a citizen you have to accept their judgement.  However it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  They do not have to let him play ever again. 

I know they have that right, stop just playing devil's advocate you haven't made a single point you just contradict what I say.

The NFL can suspend a player permanently but why would they do it to Vick. Explain to me the logic behind that?

Again, does Goodell not think he was punished severely enough?

No he probably doesnt think he was punished enough, thats why he suspended him

And this is where I dissagree with the NFL. While they have the right to do this, its not right.

I think the league is just doing this out of a need for appearances. I'm thinking of protesting and boycotting if they don't let him play.

The man did nothing wrong at all. There, I said it.

If dog fighting could give a man a job and help put his kids through college go for it.

How many people were like "That Mike Vick is a sick sick man. How dare he kill a little doggie. Cmon kids. Let's go home and watch WWE"

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

Aldous Huxley once said, "Most ignorance is evincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know." I think that sums you up quite well.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think the league is just doing this out of a need for appearances. I'm thinking of protesting and boycotting if they don't let him play.

The man did nothing wrong at all. There, I said it.

If dog fighting could give a man a job and help put his kids through college go for it.

How many people were like "That Mike Vick is a sick sick man. How dare he kill a little doggie. Cmon kids. Let's go home and watch WWE"

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

Isn't America great!  So many different ways to look at things.  To you, manipulating animals through abuse and torture to tap into and then reinforce their aggressive instincts and then unleashing them to fight to the death is analogous to the scripted theater of WWF.

You point out correctly that there is accepted, and in some cases praised, violence in our culture - of course that is true - but the blatant abuse of people or animals is not typically tolerated in any form. We are able as humans to draw moral distinctions, and while sometimes we find hypocrisy when we draw these distinctions, I think some things are relatively free of hypocrisy or contradiction within American culture. Abuse of living things is one of these.  Abuse of humans to most of us (me included) is more heinous than the abuse of animals, but it seems that very few folks (and you seem to be one of them) would casually condone animal abuse.   

[ACF]

Wasnt it a fact that Michael wasnt even at most of the dog fights?

If someone was killing dogs in your house
or apartment, and you knew about it and
maybe even condoned or encouraged it, that
would surely make you just as guilty.

To eja117: Hmmm... Nuff said.

[indeedproceed]

I think what he did was reprehensible and inexcusable. That said, he's served his time. I say let em play.

[Eja117]

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

People have a choice to participate in those sort of contests. The dogs didn't have any choice at all.

Also last I checked Ken Shamrock wasn't "put down" after he got to old to fight.

I agree that killing animals should not be as harshly punished as taking human life. But that arguments is shallow and silly.

Sure the dogs chose to fight
if dogs didn't fight naturally there wouldn't be dog fighting.

You don't hear about people watching worm fights

They beat and tortue the dogs in cages until they are angry and agressive. Then they throw them into a pit with another dog. If they don't fight they're beaten some more.

The Romans did similar things to their captives and slaves, did they have a choice too?

Yes they did and there's some interesting stories about that.

You truly are a fool to argue that victims have any meaningful choice in such situations.

I didn't say it was meaningful.

[Eja117]

The point of the suspension is that it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  It is a right to be given a fair and speedy trial through the courts and as a citizen you have to accept their judgement.  However it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  They do not have to let him play ever again. 

I know they have that right, stop just playing devil's advocate you haven't made a single point you just contradict what I say.

The NFL can suspend a player permanently but why would they do it to Vick. Explain to me the logic behind that?

Again, does Goodell not think he was punished severely enough?

No he probably doesnt think he was punished enough, thats why he suspended him

And this is where I dissagree with the NFL. While they have the right to do this, its not right.

I think the league is just doing this out of a need for appearances. I'm thinking of protesting and boycotting if they don't let him play.

The man did nothing wrong at all. There, I said it.

If dog fighting could give a man a job and help put his kids through college go for it.

How many people were like "That Mike Vick is a sick sick man. How dare he kill a little doggie. Cmon kids. Let's go home and watch WWE"

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

Aldous Huxley once said, "Most ignorance is evincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know." I think that sums you up quite well.

And I think it sums up quite well all the doggie owners in the world that cry a tear about Mike Vick and then spend hundreds of dollars on food and medicines for their puppy wuppies while children starve to death in the world and then say "Oh of course I think when a human is killed it's worse than if an animal is killed".

I just have priorities. Mine is humans first, humans second, and humans last. Others' priorities are humans they know first, animals they know second, humans and animals they don't know tied...and then try to say eja is ignorant or uncaring.

I just wasn't brainwashed by all the Disney stuff where the animals are basically people and the big evil character is MAN.

[cornbreadsmart]

i just want to add that i find the WWE offensive.not because of the violence but for the grown men who bring signs they made at home and bring them to watch the event.

[angryguy77]

The point of the suspension is that it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  It is a right to be given a fair and speedy trial through the courts and as a citizen you have to accept their judgement.  However it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  They do not have to let him play ever again. 

I know they have that right, stop just playing devil's advocate you haven't made a single point you just contradict what I say.

The NFL can suspend a player permanently but why would they do it to Vick. Explain to me the logic behind that?

Again, does Goodell not think he was punished severely enough?

No he probably doesnt think he was punished enough, thats why he suspended him

And this is where I dissagree with the NFL. While they have the right to do this, its not right.

I think the league is just doing this out of a need for appearances. I'm thinking of protesting and boycotting if they don't let him play.

The man did nothing wrong at all. There, I said it.

If dog fighting could give a man a job and help put his kids through college go for it.

How many people were like "That Mike Vick is a sick sick man. How dare he kill a little doggie. Cmon kids. Let's go home and watch WWE"

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

Aldous Huxley once said, "Most ignorance is evincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know." I think that sums you up quite well.

And I think it sums up quite well all the doggie owners in the world that cry a tear about Mike Vick and then spend hundreds of dollars on food and medicines for their puppy wuppies while children starve to death in the world and then say "Oh of course I think when a human is killed it's worse than if an animal is killed".

I just have priorities. Mine is humans first, humans second, and humans last. Others' priorities are humans they know first, animals they know second, humans and animals they don't know tied...and then try to say eja is ignorant or uncaring.

I just wasn't brainwashed by all the Disney stuff where the animals are basically people and the big evil character is MAN.

What I want to know from everyone that thinks Vick should be deported is where is the disgust and protest for the rapist and murders that are let out and commit crimes again? If your going to be this diguisted with the nfl team that hires vick, then you should be in protest against every team that allows a wife beater to be apart of the roster. No animal should be treat cruely, but lets be honost, in the end they were animals not human beings. And remember one thing, these cute little pups would eat you in a heart beat if they were starving with little regaurd for your well being

[Eja117]

The point of the suspension is that it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  It is a right to be given a fair and speedy trial through the courts and as a citizen you have to accept their judgement.  However it is a privilege to play in the NFL.  They do not have to let him play ever again. 

I know they have that right, stop just playing devil's advocate you haven't made a single point you just contradict what I say.

The NFL can suspend a player permanently but why would they do it to Vick. Explain to me the logic behind that?

Again, does Goodell not think he was punished severely enough?

No he probably doesnt think he was punished enough, thats why he suspended him

And this is where I dissagree with the NFL. While they have the right to do this, its not right.

I think the league is just doing this out of a need for appearances. I'm thinking of protesting and boycotting if they don't let him play.

The man did nothing wrong at all. There, I said it.

If dog fighting could give a man a job and help put his kids through college go for it.

How many people were like "That Mike Vick is a sick sick man. How dare he kill a little doggie. Cmon kids. Let's go home and watch WWE"

Maybe we should actually focus on people fighting.

Hey wait. We have a league built on men clobbering each other and then they're all upset when one of them kills a dog. Hypocritical? Oh! Did you see that guy slam that dude's knee? Oh! I think that guy's gonna get a concusion!

Aldous Huxley once said, "Most ignorance is evincible ignorance. We don't know because we don't want to know." I think that sums you up quite well.

And I think it sums up quite well all the doggie owners in the world that cry a tear about Mike Vick and then spend hundreds of dollars on food and medicines for their puppy wuppies while children starve to death in the world and then say "Oh of course I think when a human is killed it's worse than if an animal is killed".

I just have priorities. Mine is humans first, humans second, and humans last. Others' priorities are humans they know first, animals they know second, humans and animals they don't know tied...and then try to say eja is ignorant or uncaring.

I just wasn't brainwashed by all the Disney stuff where the animals are basically people and the big evil character is MAN.

What I want to know from everyone that thinks Vick should be deported is where is the disgust and protest for the rapist and murders that are let out and commit crimes again? If your going to be this diguisted with the nfl team that hires vick, then you should be in protest against every team that allows a wife beater to be apart of the roster. No animal should be treat cruely, but lets be honost, in the end they were animals not human beings. And remember one thing, these cute little pups would eat you in a heart beat if they were starving with little regaurd for your well being

sshh. You're making sense in a discussion of how Americans view animals