Portland interested in BBD?

[nickagneta]

Like someone said though, if Portland wants BBD they can sign him to an offer sheet that we won't match. Then we'll be even weaker on the bench.

They don't know if we will match or not and they could be put into the same situation they are now where there space to sign someone will be tied up for a week while the C's think about it. The most they can offer in the first to years is $5.8 per year and they don't know if Baby will sign for that. I also think they know he isn't worth that. It would be much better for them to trade with us, sign Baby for reasonable money, move Outlaw because he will get in the way of Webster and Batum whom they have signed long term and think highly of, respectively.

Also, because they are under the cap they can take on salary so the Celtics could possibly dump Tony Allen in the deal too to decrease their luxury tax payment by $2.5 million.

[celticinorlando]

portland is itching to get anyone..they are the only team that can and prolly would offer baby the full mle..if that happens...danny better wake up from his nap and get to work...he would have to add 1 but prolly 2 more bigs...a REAL wing not named giddens, allen or walker and maybe a point

[xmuscularghandix]

If we lose Baby, Completing our roster would be difficult. Finding a replacement that can bring Big Baby qualities is impossible. Its easier if we just keep Baby, and just trade for SF once the JR/Bill experiment fails.

Doesn't Rasheed bring all the BBD qualities and more? Even the inconsistency... 

And why is the Billy/JR expiriment going to fail? didn't the BBD/Leon plan succeed???

[nickagneta]

If we lose Baby, Completing our roster would be difficult. Finding a replacement that can bring Big Baby qualities is impossible. Its easier if we just keep Baby, and just trade for SF once the JR/Bill experiment fails.

Doesn't Rasheed bring all the BBD qualities and more? Even the inconsistency... 

And why is the Billy/JR expiriment going to fail? didn't the BBD/Leon plan succeed???

While I think the jury is still out on Walker and Giddens. Leon and Baby show obvious talent their rookie seasons. I didn't see that from either of the young guys last year

[paintitgreen]

Like someone said though, if Portland wants BBD they can sign him to an offer sheet that we won't match. Then we'll be even weaker on the bench.

They don't know if we will match or not and they could be put into the same situation they are now where there space to sign someone will be tied up for a week while the C's think about it. The most they can offer in the first to years is $5.8 per year and they don't know if Baby will sign for that. I also think they know he isn't worth that. It would be much better for them to trade with us, sign Baby for reasonable money, move Outlaw because he will get in the way of Webster and Batum whom they have signed long term and think highly of, respectively.

Also, because they are under the cap they can take on salary so the Celtics could possibly dump Tony Allen in the deal too to decrease their luxury tax payment by $2.5 million.

I agree. Portland could offer more than $5.8 mil, but they won't want to pay Davis anything close to that.

And you're right, them taking on salary isn't a problem, the problem is us giving out enough money to bring a player back.

If we could get Outlaw for Davis and Allen, I'd strongly consider it. Outlaw's only signed for one year, but he'd be a massive upgrade at backup small forward, and has the body to play some smallball 4 if needed, making the loss of Davis less of a problem (plus we'd have a roster spot open for, oh, I don't know, Leon Powe?). We'd be giving up Baby and spending $1.5 mil extra to upgrade from TA to Outlaw - not bad if you ask me. And we'd still have the LLE available to bring in a veteran point guard. (That's not a high priority to me, but would be nice).

[celticinorlando]

If we lose Baby, Completing our roster would be difficult. Finding a replacement that can bring Big Baby qualities is impossible. Its easier if we just keep Baby, and just trade for SF once the JR/Bill experiment fails.

Doesn't Rasheed bring all the BBD qualities and more? Even the inconsistency... 

And why is the Billy/JR expiriment going to fail? didn't the BBD/Leon plan succeed???

because the wings actually have to have an outside game to score..giddens or walker will actually need to contribute on the offensive end this season...i think giddens prolly is nbterr than billy in that area...and we all saw bill struggle on defense last season.


baby and powe just had to board and be garbage men...giddens or billy will have to make jump shots...can they do that? who knows...i tend to think they cannot...as for sheed...you feel comfortable with him being the only big on the bench? i don't...then if perk or KG gets hurt then he starts and the bench has no bigs like last season

i will bet anyone on here that if we go into the season with tony, jr and walker as the back up wings...we will be having this same discussion all year about how bad they are and how the wing was not addressed properly by danny once again. and boston will be in the market to try to add someone by december

[timepiece33]

Like someone said though, if Portland wants BBD they can sign him to an offer sheet that we won't match. Then we'll be even weaker on the bench.

While that is true, trading for him gives them more leverage in negotiations.

In fact, they could control the salary to the point where they could still afford Lamar Odom or trade

[celticinorlando]

seems portland is interested in everyone

[Lucky17]

Per front page of CB (or see following: http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/)

Can someone who is clever with the math work out a S&T involving BBD and Travis Outlaw?  Cs may get their backup wing after all!

(but would then need to sign an additional big man)

I believe the numbers would work on a $4 mil S&T of Baby plus Pruitt's non-guaranteed contract for Outlaw ($3.6 mil).

BOS outgoing salary: $2.825 mil ($4 mil / 2 + $825K)
BOS incoming salary: $3.6 mil
BOS max incoming salary: $3.63 mil ($2.825 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

POR outgoing salary: $3.6 mil
POR incoming salary: $4 mil*
POR max incoming salary: $4.6 mil ($3.6 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

*Pruitt's minimum-level contract does not factor in, and POR has sufficient cap space to take on extra payroll regardless.

This move would preserve Portland's available cap space, since they could cut Pruitt (having no use for him). Baby's new deal would be for virtually the same amount as Outlaw's contract for this year.

[nickagneta]

Like someone said though, if Portland wants BBD they can sign him to an offer sheet that we won't match. Then we'll be even weaker on the bench.

They don't know if we will match or not and they could be put into the same situation they are now where there space to sign someone will be tied up for a week while the C's think about it. The most they can offer in the first to years is $5.8 per year and they don't know if Baby will sign for that. I also think they know he isn't worth that. It would be much better for them to trade with us, sign Baby for reasonable money, move Outlaw because he will get in the way of Webster and Batum whom they have signed long term and think highly of, respectively.

Also, because they are under the cap they can take on salary so the Celtics could possibly dump Tony Allen in the deal too to decrease their luxury tax payment by $2.5 million.

I agree. Portland could offer more than $5.8 mil, but they won't want to pay Davis anything close to that.

And you're right, them taking on salary isn't a problem, the problem is us giving out enough money to bring a player back.

If we could get Outlaw for Davis and Allen, I'd strongly consider it. Outlaw's only signed for one year, but he'd be a massive upgrade at backup small forward, and has the body to play some smallball 4 if needed, making the loss of Davis less of a problem (plus we'd have a roster spot open for, oh, I don't know, Leon Powe?). We'd be giving up Baby and spending $1.5 mil extra to upgrade from TA to Outlaw - not bad if you ask me. And we'd still have the LLE available to bring in a veteran point guard. (That's not a high priority to me, but would be nice).

The Trailblazers could offer more than the $5.8 million but only in years 3 and beyond of a contract. Due to Early Bird Rules they are limited to offering only as high as the MLE for the first two years of the contract and then could give him a huge raise thereafter. Making the total contract higher than the MLE on average.

What's great is that Portland is about $8million under the cap so they can make a trade with the Celtics without having to worry about salary as long as their salary after the trade isn't over $100000 over the cap limit. So the BYC comes out of play. We could basically trade Allen and Baby for a first round draft pick if we want to.

Maybe I'm wrong and if Roy or another capologist like Fafnir can correct me that would be great. But we could sign Baby for $4 million a year and Tony Allen for a total salary of $6.5 million and only take back Outlaw who's salary is much lower than that.

[nickagneta]

Per front page of CB (or see following: http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/)

Can someone who is clever with the math work out a S&T involving BBD and Travis Outlaw?  Cs may get their backup wing after all!

(but would then need to sign an additional big man)

I believe the numbers would work on a $4 mil S&T of Baby plus Pruitt's non-guaranteed contract for Outlaw ($3.6 mil).

BOS outgoing salary: $2.825 mil ($4 mil / 2 + $825K)
BOS incoming salary: $3.6 mil
BOS max incoming salary: $3.63 mil ($2.825 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

POR outgoing salary: $3.6 mil
POR incoming salary: $4 mil*
POR max incoming salary: $4.6 mil ($3.6 mil x 1.25 + $100K)

*Pruitt's minimum-level contract does not factor in, and POR has sufficient cap space to take on extra payroll regardless.

This move would preserve Portland's available cap space, since they could cut Pruitt (having no use for him). Baby's new deal would be for virtually the same amount as Outlaw's contract for this year.

See the above post

[BballTim]

i will bet anyone on here that if we go into the season with tony, jr and walker as the back up wings...we will be having this same discussion all year about how bad they are and how the wing was not addressed properly by danny once again. and boston will be in the market to try to add someone by december

  I'll bet we could win 67 games in the season and get to the finals and people would still be criticizing our bench after we win the ECF.

[BballTim]

Like someone said though, if Portland wants BBD they can sign him to an offer sheet that we won't match. Then we'll be even weaker on the bench.

They don't know if we will match or not and they could be put into the same situation they are now where there space to sign someone will be tied up for a week while the C's think about it. The most they can offer in the first to years is $5.8 per year and they don't know if Baby will sign for that. I also think they know he isn't worth that. It would be much better for them to trade with us, sign Baby for reasonable money, move Outlaw because he will get in the way of Webster and Batum whom they have signed long term and think highly of, respectively.

Also, because they are under the cap they can take on salary so the Celtics could possibly dump Tony Allen in the deal too to decrease their luxury tax payment by $2.5 million.

 I'd agree. It makes more sense to try and do a sign and trade then to overpay Baby to the point that we wouldn't even consider matching.