Does Wallace's addition alone make this a good off season?

[CoachBo]

no...it is  BIG step but if boston comes away this summer with no legit wing signed behind PP, missing out on baby and having to fill that void with junk players...then the bench is still in bad shape.

Agreed.  There's not much left to say other than that.

Yeah, Sheed is a good start. But he isn't an answer for everything that ails our bench.

I agree that a healthy Powe would help, as well. But I don't think people understand how serious his injury, and the frequency of his knee injuries, are to his career. Getting him back next year is a wish. It isn't something that can or should be counted on, even if we chose to resign him later.

[celticinorlando]

i think the Cs know how bad powe's injury is...i wouldn't be surprised if he didnt make it back at all this year and they had to have that roster spot

[BballTim]

And it is still early. But I'm going to start worrying if by mid August all that has happened is a whole lot of nothing. This team is an ECF maybe at best as it is currently constructed and needs upgrades at the SF and PG positions and a decent 4/5 guy to have behind the Perk-KG-Sheed three headed monster in the middle.

  You're taking the team that went 7 games vs Orlando, trading Marbury and possibly Davis for KG and Sheed, Rondo will be a year better, and at best this is an ECF team? I disagree. I'm sure Danny will add some players, but this current group is stronger than you think.

If Doc is trotting Pierce, Ray and Rondo out there 37-40 minutes per game for the season because there isn't any quality backups, this team ends it's season short of the ECFs. Yes. Easily. I believe that. No question in my mind.

Sheed is a good player that used to be a great player but he did take a step back last year. KG's game took a step back last year even before the injury. Both will be playing in their 15th seasons. And Perk's shoulders have questions.

I don't think with a simple 7 man rotation being used during the season of Perk, KG, Paul, Ray, Rondo, Sheed and House that this team will have enough in the tank or be healthy enough after the grind of the season to get past Orlando or Cleveland as currently constructed.

Danny HAS TO get more quality proven veteran skills to come off that bench. A quality wing and quality PG puts us into the Finals. Baby or another quality big like Joe Smith wins us the title.

But that's just my opinion.

  They won't go with a 7 man rotation during the season. 36-37 minutes is probably fine for Paul and Ray, but 38-41 is too high. But they were averaging about 36-37 minutes with the same roster we have now until the injuries hit.

[PerkinsIsABEAST]

Wallace was a great pickup, the only other player I would have rather had was Artest and even then I'm not sure.

I think people underrate how good of a defender Wallace was even last year, especially when playing center (which he should be playing for us).

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET14.HTM

he held opposing centers to 48 eFG% which is incredible. The PER against is high but that overrates bulk scorers so it looks like opposing centers took a lot of shots and converted at a very low rate which is perfect. Also that doesn't include his help defense which is very good. He also posted a DRTG of 103 on a team with a 109 DRTG, again incredible.

Having him off the bench can plug in for either perk or kg and we won't lose much defensivley. He isn't very efficent on offense but he does help space the floor and bring opposing centers out of the lane giving guys like pierce/rondo etc way more space to drive to the hoop which is very valueable.

[Mike-Dub]

NO... definitely not if we let Big Baby go, don't get a back up small forward... If we get a small forward I'd be ok for not having a back up point right now but we should try to pick up one at the trade deadline if we don't get one this summer.

[GKC]

Wallace was a great pickup, the only other player I would have rather had was Artest and even then I'm not sure.

I think people underrate how good of a defender Wallace was even last year, especially when playing center (which he should be playing for us).

http://www.82games.com/0809/08DET14.HTM

he held opposing centers to 48 eFG% which is incredible. The PER against is high but that overrates bulk scorers so it looks like opposing centers took a lot of shots and converted at a very low rate which is perfect. Also that doesn't include his help defense which is very good. He also posted a DRTG of 103 on a team with a 109 DRTG, again incredible.

Having him off the bench can plug in for either perk or kg and we won't lose much defensivley. He isn't very efficent on offense but he does help space the floor and bring opposing centers out of the lane giving guys like pierce/rondo etc way more space to drive to the hoop which is very valueable.

The reason his opp PER is high is because PER is slightly more biased towards good rebounders, and players tend to rebound well against Sheed (his rebounding % are actually pretty dissapointing for a player his size). This will be mitigated by the fact that he plays with KG and Perk, making him an even better complimentary player.

Again, it doesn't make a good off-season yet (obviously), since there is more work to be done, but it's a great start.

Hopefully with the news of how well Pruitt's playing, I'm hoping that just means we need a backup for the 2/3 position.

[Who]

Nope ... but a good offseason is still possible.

[Eja117]

Someone said something similar so I'll try to do it more graphically

Good (we think)  = Sheed
Possibly more motivated Rondo
Eddie House picking up his option (can you imagine if he didn't)
Marbury not coming back possibly

Bad
No Powe
No BBD yet
Nobody emerging as a significant rotational player in summer league yet
No other free agent coming here yet
Possibly more ticked off Rondo
Big three all a year older
No good draft pick
Lester Hudson got hurt
No trades that helped
Marbury not coming back possibly


Added up this is a bad off season so far

[vjcsmoke]

Wallace is a key acquisiton no doubt.  Now the Celtics need to add on.  I'd say sign Joe Smith and BBD and our big man bench will be the deepest in the East.

As for SF/PG backups.  We could sign and trade for a guy like Moon or wait until the deadline and see if teams are willing to salary dump some quality small forwards the quality of Gerald Wallace/Shane Battier.  The Rockets might well be out of it by then, so who knows.  It might be possible.

[GKC]

Someone said something similar so I'll try to do it more graphically

Good (we think)  = Sheed
Possibly more motivated Rondo
Eddie House picking up his option (can you imagine if he didn't)
Marbury not coming back possibly

Bad
No Powe
No BBD yet
Nobody emerging as a significant rotational player in summer league yet
No other free agent coming here yet
Possibly more ticked off Rondo
Big three all a year older
No good draft pick
Lester Hudson got hurt
No trades that helped
Marbury not coming back possibly


Added up this is a bad off season so far

Is it fair that you used Big 3 all a year older while you didn't mention Rondo and Perk would be a year better?

I think once all is said and done, our bench will be significantly better than last years. That plus the fact that we may have a 6 man of the year on our hands could make it a good off-season.

Just wait for it. Danny has something up his sleeve.

[MVP]

Getting Sheed is 90% there to a good offseason. He was my #1 player to get and I'm very happy that we got him. Just getting him fills a couple of needs. He provides length off the bench. He provides more shooting. He is a pretty good insurance in case KG or Perk go down for significant time. He is a matchup nightmare for Howard and Shaq because he can defend them, but they can't really defend him (Shaq) or don't want to (Dwight) because it would take him out of the paint.

Also, we don't need to fill every hole in free agency. Unless one of TA/Walker/Giddens surprise, we do need a backup wing. But it might be easier to get that backup wing during the trade deadline with our expiring contracts(and we if resign Baby he would be a good trade chip to dangle). Meanwhile, we wont wear Pierce out. He averaged 36 minutes/game the 1st 4 months before KG went down. Getting a healthy KG back, Sheed off the bench and increased responsibility to Rondo should limit the minutes of Pierce/Allen to 33-35. We need a reliable backup wing moreso for the stretch run then right now.

[Eja117]

Someone said something similar so I'll try to do it more graphically

Good (we think)  = Sheed
Possibly more motivated Rondo
Eddie House picking up his option (can you imagine if he didn't)
Marbury not coming back possibly

Bad
No Powe
No BBD yet
Nobody emerging as a significant rotational player in summer league yet
No other free agent coming here yet
Possibly more ticked off Rondo
Big three all a year older
No good draft pick
Lester Hudson got hurt
No trades that helped
Marbury not coming back possibly


Added up this is a bad off season so far

Is it fair that you used Big 3 all a year older while you didn't mention Rondo and Perk would be a year better?

I think once all is said and done, our bench will be significantly better than last years. That plus the fact that we may have a 6 man of the year on our hands could make it a good off-season.

Just wait for it. Danny has something up his sleeve.

touche' and tp