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Re: Breaking news: KG suspended for striking Bogut
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2008, 03:43:19 PM »

Offline Finkelskyhook

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so, if you qualified as an "enforcer" back then, you got to act like KG, but KG isn't an enforcer and thus has an "act". gotcha.

Gotcha?  I don't know of too many enforcers, or any other NBA player then who acted like Garnett does now.  Before Stern pussified the NBA, enforcers took care of silly antics like Garnett's Toronto taunts.  Like baseball, antics were taken care of inside the lines.  Not by a commissioner.  By the players.  Maybe Stern, seeing the average age of the "stars", thinks they're not mature enough to police themselves.  That's all I can theorize.  Between the tiered officiating and the no contact rules, we're approaching square dancing with a rim and backboard. 

Until the taunting rules are eliminated, Garnett is violating the rule.  But more important than that, Garnett needs to lead by example. 

Re: Breaking news: KG suspended for striking Bogut
« Reply #61 on: November 18, 2008, 04:26:27 PM »

Offline Rida

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This is absolutely absurd. We were discussing it in the forums

The refs went to video as it happened in the game

Bogut elbowed him in the head, KG flung his hand out and did slap him.

If the refs went to the video in the game and found no reason to eject KG how could the league offices suspend him?

The NBA is undermining the refs authority and has just made the whole replay system look ridiculous.

Why have replay if the league can undermine the refs decisions later.


its ridiculous

I think it's a joke, honestly," Rivers said. "But they (the NBA) did it and we have live with it. I'm just amazed the officials looked at the play for five to 10 mins and didn't even think Kevin deserved more than just a technical, and the league looks at it and gives him a suspension. I just wish we had more consistency in our league, I really do."

Garnett and Milwaukee's Andrew Bogut were assessed technical fouls on the play during the Celtics 102-97 overtime victory Saturday night.

Rivers compared the play to a confrontation involving Phoenix center Shaquille O'Neal

Seems me and doc think the same

Re: Breaking news: KG suspended for striking Bogut
« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2008, 04:38:16 PM »

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I love KG to death and I get jacked up when KG is being KG. But you just can't slap someone during a game. I understand getting in a guys face or giving him a shove, but a professional basketball player cant be slapping another grown man on the court.

KG makes too much money to get fined. Its chump change for him. I think the league is trying to send KG a message by suspending him. I think its a real coward move by the NBA. Let KG be KG, he isn't hurting anyone.

Re: Breaking news: KG suspended for striking Bogut
« Reply #63 on: November 18, 2008, 04:40:15 PM »

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I love KG to death and I get jacked up when KG is being KG. But you just can't slap someone during a game. I understand getting in a guys face or giving him a shove, but a professional basketball player cant be slapping another grown man on the court.

KG makes too much money to get fined. Its chump change for him. I think the league is trying to send KG a message by suspending him. I think its a real coward move by the NBA. Let KG be KG, he isn't hurting anyone.
A 1 game suspension is a big fine as well though. Even with as much money as KG has 200K+ isn't something you ignore. I just hope we kill the Knicks tonight. I really could use a blowout game.

Re: Breaking news: KG suspended for striking Bogut
« Reply #64 on: November 18, 2008, 04:50:57 PM »

Offline drza44

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so, if you qualified as an "enforcer" back then, you got to act like KG, but KG isn't an enforcer and thus has an "act". gotcha.

Gotcha?  I don't know of too many enforcers, or any other NBA player then who acted like Garnett does now.  Before Stern pussified the NBA, enforcers took care of silly antics like Garnett's Toronto taunts.  Like baseball, antics were taken care of inside the lines.  Not by a commissioner.  By the players.  Maybe Stern, seeing the average age of the "stars", thinks they're not mature enough to police themselves.  That's all I can theorize.  Between the tiered officiating and the no contact rules, we're approaching square dancing with a rim and backboard. 

Until the taunting rules are eliminated, Garnett is violating the rule.  But more important than that, Garnett needs to lead by example. 

I guess it depends on what you mean by "enforcer", and how much you think KG's "act" has changed based on the times.  Because as most of us seem to agree, the NBA has legislated the old-school enforcer out of business.  Any attempt to regularly, physically punk your opponents likely results in multiple suspensions.  But is there a present-day correlate for those enforcers?

Well first, what did an enforcer do?  Usually, they intimidated the other team.  They used that intimidation to take their opponents off of their games if they could, especially if they perceived the opponent to be softer than them (i.e. you didn't often see one enforcer take on another).  They made their opponents hesitant to do what they normally would.  If an opponent crossed the line against them or theirs, they would physically make that opponent think twice about doing it again.

It seems to me that in this day and age, Garnett fulfills a lot of those "enforcer" tasks within this set of rules.  He may use talking and taunts a lot of times instead of elbows, but it's awfully effective as an intimidating factor.  Ask Calderon and Bosh, who made a combined ZERO buckets between them after KG bodied up Bosh and "taunted" Calderon at the end of the third quarter.  Ask last year's Trailblazers, who according to their beatwriter were flat out intimidated by KG http://shamrockheadband.blogspot.com/2008/01/scary-one.html (I had a better link with quotes from Portland players, but it doesn't work anymore).  Ask Za Za Pachulia, who definitely enjoyed taunting KG when KG couldn't respond without a suspension in the playoffs, but surely remembers getting legally laid out a few games later.

:shrugs: I'm with Crownsy on this, as the effect of current-day KG's behavior seems a lot more similar to that of old-school Oakley than the people that Old-school Oakley would have gone after.  The main difference is that old-school Oakley played in a more physical league, plus, when it came down to it if he had to knock someone out and miss a few games it was all good.  KG can't really afford to do that (which is what lets guys like Za Za, or Anthony Peeler a few years ago pop him without immediate repercussion) ...but that's what guys like Perk are around for, if it comes to that ;).