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Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #120 on: July 04, 2008, 09:11:24 PM »

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I wouldn't. I'd rather sign a Pietrus in a scenario where we lose those guys.

Agreed.  Pietrus would be a better option.  The coaching staff here apparently wasn't too enamored with Ricky, so I doubt very much that he comes back.

I think the point as far as sixth men go, is to have someone very consistent, not the best player available.  Davis is that awkward kind of player who's too good to be a sixth man, but not good enough to build a team around.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #121 on: July 04, 2008, 10:08:14 PM »

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In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter that much whether the Cs are overpaying Posey by $2m four and five years from now? All I know is that the Cs are the favorites to repeat with Posey in 2009. 

Considering how much dead weight salary is on most NBA rosters, what's a couple million next decade?  Seriously, everyone here is a capologist all of a sudden.  The Cs overpaid Scal by $2m in 2008. Did that preclude them from being successful? 

Teams that make mistakes on eight figure contracts are screwed.  Every single team can handle one horrible MLE signing. Posey's fourth and fifth year would merely be horrible in that he's being paid 40% too much, assuming he loses a few steps. 

Then again, Bruce Bowen was 36 this season, the age Pose will be at the end of a new five year deal, and I don't hear anyone crying about him being overpaid. He made a bit more than $4m this past year, and is on the books for two more years at $4m a year, at ages 37 and 38. So Posey will be getting a bit of a bump up from that, but he's only 31, and the salary cap will also be bumped up some when he gets to year four and five.       

The problem is that they will be overpaying him by 6-8 million a year in that 4th and 5th year, not 2 million. That could very well prevent them from re-signing a player that we want to give a max contract to (That may not even be on the roster right now), or bring in another player that could help us tremendously at that point. Extensions may be tougher for core players at that point. You just can't give a reserve starter money for that long of a stretch when he is 31. 3 years I say we give him the whole MLE. Not 5.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #122 on: July 04, 2008, 10:19:30 PM »

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To answer the original question, Davis and Pietrus are probably the best of the SG/SF mix.  You might be able to go with Michael Finley as a 1 or 2 year option.

Jarvis Hayes, Bonzi Wells, Bostjan Nachbar, James Jones, Kirk Snyder, and Matt Barnes are probably the next in line. Ruben Patterson could probably be had for the minimum. 

Ricky Davis and him are probably the most economically prudent decisions. Maybe we can get him and Roger Mason :-*

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #123 on: July 04, 2008, 10:23:54 PM »

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To answer the original question, Davis and Pietrus are probably the best of the SG/SF mix.  You might be able to go with Michael Finley as a 1 or 2 year option.

Jarvis Hayes, Bonzi Wells, Bostjan Nachbar, James Jones, Kirk Snyder, and Matt Barnes are probably the next in line. Ruben Patterson could probably be had for the minimum.  Ricky Davis and him are probably the most economically prudent decisions. :-*



No way they sign Davis. He and PP did not get along at all. That is a definite chemistry buster. I didn't mind the guy, but it won't work.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #124 on: July 04, 2008, 10:24:43 PM »

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To answer the original question, Davis and Pietrus are probably the best of the SG/SF mix.  You might be able to go with Michael Finley as a 1 or 2 year option.

Jarvis Hayes, Bonzi Wells, Bostjan Nachbar, James Jones, Kirk Snyder, and Matt Barnes are probably the next in line. Ruben Patterson could probably be had for the minimum.  Ricky Davis and him are probably the most economically prudent decisions. :-*



No way they sign Davis. He and PP did not get along at all. That is a definite chemistry buster. I didn't mind the guy, but it won't work.

It's called sarcasm, but he would be economically prudent.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #125 on: July 18, 2008, 08:48:59 PM »

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Ricky Davis is the best FA swingman out there, by a considerable margin.  He should be affordable, with something like the 2/$7 with an option that Posey took last year.  He shot the three exceedingly well on that Washington Generals production in Miami last season, 40%, and should be able to do at least OK in Tom Ts defensive system. 

Ricky's agent is Jeff Schwartz, who happens to rep Paul Pierce (and Al Jefferson).  He's certainly no stranger to Danny Ainge, Schwartz should be very pleased with Danny, since he delivered the kind of roster that allowed his top client (along with JKidd) to shine on the biggest NBA stage. He also should be thrilled with the Al Jefferson trade, which allowed Big Al to snag a 5/$65 deal a the franchise player on that young team.

If Ricky didn't have a history here, he'd probably be on everyone's radar.  He can carry a team's second unit offensive all by himself at times, something last season's squad didn't have when both PP and RA sat.  Ricky can bring up the ball and set people up, which is essential if Eddie House resigns. 

The only black marks are 1) can he play on and contribute to a winner?, and 2) will he buy into Ubuntu 2?  To the first question, we will never know until he's on a very good squad.  To the second, he did a lot of things right when he was here before, like play hard and accept the 6th Man role.  Ricky was allegedly a big of a handful to the coaches at times, and might have been a bad influence off the court with that young squad. 

I don't see either things happening this time around.  Too many veterans now, and Doc did a good job handling him before Doc had "NBA Champs Coach" on his resume.  It must be an eye opener to Ricky that the only buzz about a club wanting his services is coming from Europe.  If he came to Boston and put in a solid year like Posey did and polished his rep, He could be looking as a decent contract next summer.

Danny, get it done.  We survived Toine 2.  Ricky Redux will be a piece of cake.   

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #126 on: July 18, 2008, 08:56:31 PM »

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i agree.....he is the best Posey replacement....

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #127 on: July 18, 2008, 09:09:21 PM »

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no defense, no Ubuntu, no Thanks...

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #128 on: July 18, 2008, 09:10:15 PM »

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This really would come down to Pierce and KG's feelings on him as a teammate.
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Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #129 on: July 18, 2008, 09:25:44 PM »

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This really would come down to Pierce and KG's feelings on him as a teammate.

good call.

I like his talent... but still question his attitude.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #130 on: July 18, 2008, 09:27:17 PM »

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no defense, no Ubuntu, no Thanks...

Why do you write "no defense?"  When he was in Boston, he was a willing defender who tried.  He has the physical tools to play good defense, and if he were in Boston, he'd be in a great system where he could thrive defensively.  Were you writing "no defense" about Eddie House at this time last year?  His defensive resume was a lot skimpier than Ricky's is now.

Now I'm not sure about Ricky buying in.  I think he will, since it is in his best interest to do so.  A guy like Sam Cassell had no problem being a good teammate and cheering everyone on even when he wasn't playing in the last two games of the Finals. There's an incredibly strong team chemistry that isn't going to be upset by one questionable guy.  Two maybe, but not one.     

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #131 on: July 18, 2008, 09:41:41 PM »

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celtics should bring ricky back he be a perfect 6th man..good posey replacement and we be great offensive leader of the 2nd unit.
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Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #132 on: July 18, 2008, 09:53:59 PM »

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No. Once again no. He's selfish and plays no defense. It happened in Cleveland, it happened in Boston, in Minnesota and Miami.

Re: What if we lose out on Maggette and Posey? Ricky Davis?
« Reply #133 on: July 19, 2008, 01:38:10 AM »

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Forget ricky. He couldn't earn his money in minnesota when it was just him and KG as scoring options, so leave him in Miami or where ever he ends up..
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