The Curse of Violet Palmer

[X Man]

I feel just like Nick, I would never base my opinion based on gender.  i feel the refs should be invisible and it just so happens that in game 3 when the heat was on and the call were made the collective basketball conscience (I was watching with non-Celtic fans) shouted, "HHUH?" and when we looked up it was her making the call. I watched the entire season on NBALP and I must tell you a couple of the calls she made towards the end of the game were the first time they were made all season.  I think a 66-16 team deserves better than that.  Is consistency too much to ask for??

[Section 87]

2008 Regular Season - Celtics stats

With Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 100%
Celtics points per game 102.3
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 20.0
Opponents personal fouls 21.7

Without Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 80%
Celtics points per game 100.5
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 22.3
Opponents personal fouls 22.2

So, with Palmer on the crew, we have a better winning percentage, more points per game, and fewer personal fouls called against the Celtics; compared to games without Palmer. I think I like this curse! Palmer must be part of Stern's blatant pro-Celtics officiating plan.

edited the 2nd part to say "without" instead of "with" - they both said "with"...Hope you don't mind.  I know it was just a typo and I know this is what you intended - Redz

[NicaraguanFan]

I dont like to blame refs for losing. I mean a bad ref would be ugly against both teams.  If it wasn't the case the ref should be biased and I think it is not happening in NBA...

NF.

[crownsy]

I dont like to blame refs for losing. I mean a bad ref would be ugly against both teams.  If it wasn't the case the ref should be biased and I think it is not happening in NBA...

NF.

I beg to differ. i mean, this is a league that had an offical fixing point spreads last year. I really don't trust its officating cause stern says "uh...yea totally only one guy who the mob got to.."

now, if he had done a fair and open investigation, and not closed by letting 10+ unnamed refs off the hook for gambling infractions

[Donoghus]

2008 Regular Season - Celtics stats

With Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 100%
Celtics points per game 102.3
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 20.0
Opponents personal fouls 21.7

Without Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 80%
Celtics points per game 100.5
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 22.3
Opponents personal fouls 22.2

So, with Palmer on the crew, we have a better winning percentage, more points per game, and fewer personal fouls called against the Celtics; compared to games without Palmer. I think I like this curse! Palmer must be part of Stern's blatant pro-Celtics officiating plan.

edited the 2nd part to say "without" instead of "with" - they both said "with"...Hope you don't mind.  I know it was just a typo and I know this is what you intended - Redz

Wasn't Palmer part of the crew that did the Utah loss in the Garden?

[jay_jay54]

2008 Regular Season - Celtics stats

With Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 100%
Celtics points per game 102.3
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 20.0
Opponents personal fouls 21.7

Without Violet Palmer officiating:
Celtics winning percentage 80%
Celtics points per game 100.5
Opponents points per game 90.3
Celtics personal fouls 22.3
Opponents personal fouls 22.2

So, with Palmer on the crew, we have a better winning percentage, more points per game, and fewer personal fouls called against the Celtics; compared to games without Palmer. I think I like this curse! Palmer must be part of Stern's blatant pro-Celtics officiating plan.

edited the 2nd part to say "without" instead of "with" - they both said "with"...Hope you don't mind.  I know it was just a typo and I know this is what you intended - Redz

Wasn't Palmer part of the crew that did the Utah loss in the Garden?

Yes she was,don't know if you were really asking a question,or making a statement,but i was going to post the same idea.She was a ref.when they did a lopsided officiating job.But since that game she over and over made calls in aganist Boston,ive witness her calling a couple other games,and Utah playing in 1 of them also.She seems to favor certain players,such as D.Williams for sure.I do not want to sound like a sexist,but in her case,it might be a man thing more than a fix-job.I think she has a extra liking towards certain players, the next game i saw her officiate in,with Utah playing ,she did the same thing,gave D.Williams free passes over,and over to the charity strike.

[NicaraguanFan]

Yes she was...  but even in that case our record is still better when she is in...   What I dont like about this "violet" discussion is some people are blaming one single ref for our disgrace in playoff and it is totally unfair.


NF.

[jay_jay54]

Yes she was...  but even in that case our record is still better when she is in...   What I dont like about this "violet" discussion is some people are blaming one single ref for our disgrace in playoff and it is totally unfair.


NF.

I don't think you are accusing me personally,but for the record,thats not how i see it.The refs were bad,but had little to do with our losts in ATL.

[NicaraguanFan]

Sure jay_jay54 I am not acussing anyone in particular.  What I am trying to point out is that there is not anything like "Violet Curse".  Focusing in officiating and in one ref is not fair. We lost game 3 in the 3 rd quarter because we werent hustling enough and MAYBE because the horn thing... And in game 4 we had the same lack of hustling in the 4th quarter.

If we have the named a curse it should be "Ourselves curse".

NF.

[Section 87]

Oopps ... I should never crunch numbers before coffee. Yes, Palmer was on the officiating crew for the Utah game. My mistake. I guess that makes the winning percentage 67% with Palmer and 81% without. I thought I was on to something here, but now I've got egg on my face. Goes well with the coffee.

 

Still, with Palmer, Celtics PF = 20.5, without, Celtics PF = 22.2. But I guess maybe she isn't a big part of Stern's pro-Celtics conspiracy.

[TAllen]

WPOC: "Worst Possible Officiating Crew"

Ken Mauer
Violet Palmer
Bennett Salvatore

Ken Mauer
Violet Palmer
Bennie Adams

[Schupac]

Keep in mind when tryin to crunch numbers with an officiating crew, what's far more important than the number of fouls called is when and how they are called.

A ref might only call one foul on a team, but if it is a terrible call, or if it is a momentum changer, that's way more important than some cheesy fouls in the opening minutes.

But anyways, I think everyone can agree Violet and Mauer are... dubious in their calls.  They'll make a bad call, then compound it by getting mad and making more.

[Section 87]

"I think everyone can agree ..."

I see statements like this a lot here on CelticsBlog, especially when discussing perceived ref bias or imagined Stern conspiracies. I don't believe if for a minute. I think everyone agrees with me.


 

[Schupac]

"I think everyone can agree ..."

I see statements like this a lot here on CelticsBlog, especially when discussing perceived ref bias or imagined Stern conspiracies. I don't believe if for a minute. I think everyone agrees with me.


 

I hear you... but in my defense, I wear glasses, and sometimes dress-shirts.  I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.



More seriously, I'm not even saying Violet or Mauer are in on a conspiracy.  They are just bad at their job.