Ray always blames someone else:

[Who]

Do you think OKC fans have any hard feelings about the way KD left?

Kevin Durant was one of the 2-3 best players in the league. He was their franchise player.

Ray Allen was the 4th-6th best player on his own team. He was 36 years old. He had lost his starting job to Avery Bradley. He was scoring 11ppg 1apg in 34mpg in the playoffs. Ray had two more years in the league where he only played 25mpg as a 6th man. Ray Allen was not some star leaving in his prime. He was an old man. A borderline starter / bench player.

This is not like Kevin Durant leaving the OKC Thunder. This is like Thabo Sefolosha leaving OKC.

[Moranis]

Do you think OKC fans have any hard feelings about the way KD left?

Kevin Durant was one of the 2-3 best players in the league. He was their franchise player.

Ray Allen was the 4th-6th best player on his own team. He was 36 years old. He had lost his starting job to Avery Bradley. He was scoring 11ppg 1apg in 34mpg in the playoffs. Ray had two more years in the league where he only played 25mpg as a 6th man. Ray Allen was not some star leaving in his prime. He was an old man. A borderline starter / bench player.

This is not like Kevin Durant leaving the OKC Thunder. This is like Thabo Sefolosha leaving OKC.

Plus, the OKC run clearly wasn't over while Boston's was.  Had Bosh been healthy in 2012, the Heat likely would have won that series in 5 games just as they did in 2011. The Heat simply weren't rivals to Boston.  The teams weren't in the same sphere.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Do you think OKC fans have any hard feelings about the way KD left?

Kevin Durant was one of the 2-3 best players in the league. He was their franchise player.

Ray Allen was the 4th-6th best player on his own team. He was 36 years old. He had lost his starting job to Avery Bradley. He was scoring 11ppg 1apg in 34mpg in the playoffs. Ray had two more years in the league where he only played 25mpg as a 6th man. Ray Allen was not some star leaving in his prime. He was an old man. A borderline starter / bench player.

This is not like Kevin Durant leaving the OKC Thunder. This is like Thabo Sefolosha leaving OKC.

Plus, the OKC run clearly wasn't over while Boston's was.  Had Bosh been healthy in 2012, the Heat likely would have won that series in 5 games just as they did in 2011. The Heat simply weren't rivals to Boston.  The teams weren't in the same sphere.

I don't think bringing up a playoff run where we pretty much were decimated by injuries tells us much of what we could've done. 2012 we pushed the Heat to 7 without Green as well since he missed that season, he was returning on the next one. That team would've been quite solid, I thought overall well constructed, poorly coached particularly after Rondo went down, but having Ray around (remember we don't have cap space, so him not returning didn't suddenly enable us to replace his salary slot) would've made that team work much better than it actually did. Doc just was very poor using all the players we had. Our Allen replacement, Jason Terry was incredibly inconsistent, but I was quite excited about what Courtney Lee would bring off the bench for us... him and Bradley together were very good defensively, sadly Doc had Bradley playing PG.

With Allen in hand, I would imagine more focus would've been given to our big man rotation to shore up some of the weakness we had. I was a big fan of Wilcox while he was with us, though again, I thought Doc misused him, and later I believe he got injured. So that sucked.

But yeah, overall I wouldn't look to 2011 as representative of what we would've done during the playoffs going forward, we were nowhere close to full strength then and Ray leaving I think screwed what our roster could've looked like had he stayed, to say nothing of reducing our trading assets power.

We simply had a lot of misfortune during those years roster wise, and a coach who honestly had little clue of what he was doing after our championship, each year worse than the previous one with him in particular.

Edit: Crap, I don't know how I ended up absorbed in this thread... didn't realize it was an old one lol. Feel free to ignore this post.

[Kernewek]

But also, since we're talking about KD, why on earth wouldn't the OKC fans hold the fact that Durant left for Golden State against him? Everyone outside of the Bay did.

[celticsclay]

Do you think OKC fans have any hard feelings about the way KD left?

Kevin Durant was one of the 2-3 best players in the league. He was their franchise player.

Ray Allen was the 4th-6th best player on his own team. He was 36 years old. He had lost his starting job to Avery Bradley. He was scoring 11ppg 1apg in 34mpg in the playoffs. Ray had two more years in the league where he only played 25mpg as a 6th man. Ray Allen was not some star leaving in his prime. He was an old man. A borderline starter / bench player.

This is not like Kevin Durant leaving the OKC Thunder. This is like Thabo Sefolosha leaving OKC.

Plus, the OKC run clearly wasn't over while Boston's was.  Had Bosh been healthy in 2012, the Heat likely would have won that series in 5 games just as they did in 2011. The Heat simply weren't rivals to Boston.  The teams weren't in the same sphere.

I know this is kind of a grey area on the forums, but emphasize I am literally asking a question. I was also curious about how big a fan you are of the Celtics, if you are pessimistic in general etc. we won the championship this week and I didn?t see a single happy post from you on that. Granted I didn?t do like thirty myself but it meant a lot to mea me i acknowledged it. Why is that? Are you happy we won?

[scaryjerry]

Do you think OKC fans have any hard feelings about the way KD left?

Kevin Durant was one of the 2-3 best players in the league. He was their franchise player.

Ray Allen was the 4th-6th best player on his own team. He was 36 years old. He had lost his starting job to Avery Bradley. He was scoring 11ppg 1apg in 34mpg in the playoffs. Ray had two more years in the league where he only played 25mpg as a 6th man. Ray Allen was not some star leaving in his prime. He was an old man. A borderline starter / bench player.

This is not like Kevin Durant leaving the OKC Thunder. This is like Thabo Sefolosha leaving OKC.

Plus, the OKC run clearly wasn't over while Boston's was.  Had Bosh been healthy in 2012, the Heat likely would have won that series in 5 games just as they did in 2011. The Heat simply weren't rivals to Boston.  The teams weren't in the same sphere.

I know this is kind of a grey area on the forums, but emphasize I am literally asking a question. I was also curious about how big a fan you are of the Celtics, if you are pessimistic in general etc. we won the championship this week and I didn?t see a single happy post from you on that. Granted I didn?t do like thirty myself but it meant a lot to mea me i acknowledged it. Why is that? Are you happy we won?

I?m sure he is, but he would clearly be a lot happier if Jayson Tatum won the finals mvp and shot above 40%