For all you guys blaming Joe…

[Kernewek]

Well said.  I'd love to get Budenholzer next year.  Yes, he has his faults.  He didn't make the right call when Butler scored the winning bucket against them on that inbounds pass from midcourt.

But he's a smart coach.  Did really well with the Hawks.  And won a 'ship with the Bucks.

I hope he doesn't get hired before we beat the Nuggets in the Finals.

The Celtics will fire Joe if he wins the Finals this year?

I'm not sure if they will, but they should. This has been the best opportunity to win a championship so far and the C's have underperformed. There's no reason for it to continue into next year.

But if they win WITH Joe, then they didn't underperform (even if road was more difficult than it should've been).

I'm questioning the poster who said they should fire Joe if they win the Finals this year. Losing now or in the Finals- sure BUT winning the championship? What scenario does that happen in?

We're not going to win.  But if we did, probably the team's #1 achievement would be overcoming Joe's coaching.

You don't keep a bad employee around (in any field) just because things ended up working out.

I'm not saying Joe is a great coach or even a good coach. But if they so happen to win the championship, there's no way they let him go unless it's other circumstances.

"Will they" and "should they" are different questions.  If a guy isn't a good coach, he shouldn't be coaching a contender.  Interestingly, Milwaukee and Phoenix got rid of their very good coaches, while we debate a bottom-five guy.

Worth considering that Milwaukee and Phoenix both got rid of their coaches in large part because they’re mostly hamstrung when it comes to upgrading their rosters. If you think you have to make a change for the sake of making a change and you take the easiest route to ‘make a change’, that doesn’t make it a good idea.

[Goldstar88]

Well said.  I'd love to get Budenholzer next year.  Yes, he has his faults.  He didn't make the right call when Butler scored the winning bucket against them on that inbounds pass from midcourt.

But he's a smart coach.  Did really well with the Hawks.  And won a 'ship with the Bucks.

I hope he doesn't get hired before we beat the Nuggets in the Finals.

The Celtics will fire Joe if he wins the Finals this year?

I'm not sure if they will, but they should. This has been the best opportunity to win a championship so far and the C's have underperformed. There's no reason for it to continue into next year.

But if they win WITH Joe, then they didn't underperform (even if road was more difficult than it should've been).

I'm questioning the poster who said they should fire Joe if they win the Finals this year. Losing now or in the Finals- sure BUT winning the championship? What scenario does that happen in?

We're not going to win.  But if we did, probably the team's #1 achievement would be overcoming Joe's coaching.

You don't keep a bad employee around (in any field) just because things ended up working out.

I'm not saying Joe is a great coach or even a good coach. But if they so happen to win the championship, there's no way they let him go unless it's other circumstances.

Yep. If the C’s win the championship many think the coach should still be fired. Can’t make this stuff up. 

If a team wins despite the coach , you think the coach should continue to get paid?

I don't get it. You say it's the players who win, but the coach deserves to stay on if they win.  Either coach impacts the team enough to win or he doesn't.

Yeah, I never said the coach doesn’t impact winning at all. What I’ve said on multiple occasions is that the players are at minimum 80% responsible for the results of a game. So the C’s win a championship and you want to risk upsetting chemistry by bringing in a new coach and gamble that the players are all going to buy in? That things are just going to be smooth sailing to another banner after Joe is gone.