Zach Lowe on Beal for Brown trade talk

[Donoghus]

I really don't want to trade Jaylen.   The year to year growth we've seen from him already is pretty impressive & he's only going to be 25. 

Certainly not for Beal.

[boscel33]

I really don't want to trade Jaylen.   The year to year growth we've seen from him already is pretty impressive & he's only going to be 25. 

Certainly not for Beal.

All of the moaning on this board about trading Jaylen for Kawhi, and now he's there and we want to trade him for Beal?  Let's have a look at the numbers.

This is from both of their 5th seasons:  https://stathead.com/tiny/YYmdr

Brown:  24.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .484 FG%, .397 3P%,
Beal:  23.1 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, .482 FG%, .404 3P%

Brown is a better defender, younger, and on a better contract.

I'm not trading Brown for Beal, no way!

[liam]

I really don't want to trade Jaylen.   The year to year growth we've seen from him already is pretty impressive & he's only going to be 25. 

Certainly not for Beal.

All of the moaning on this board about trading Jaylen for Kawhi, and now he's there and we want to trade him for Beal?  Let's have a look at the numbers.

This is from both of their 5th seasons:  https://stathead.com/tiny/YYmdr

Brown:  24.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, 3.4 APG, .484 FG%, .397 3P%,
Beal:  23.1 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 3.5 APG, .482 FG%, .404 3P%

Brown is a better defender, younger, and on a better contract.

I'm not trading Brown for Beal, no way!

Agreed you have to add to Tatum and Brown not swap out one all-star for another.

[gouki88]

I would do Smart, Thompson, Timelord, Langford and a 1st for Beal in a heartbeat.

Gives us a three-headed monster of Tatum-Beal-Brown, still have Horford as well as quite a few young guys. Sign some veterans in free agency like Kent Bazemore (VetMin), Otto Porter (MLE - hopeful?), TJ McConnell, those types.

We'd have a legit title shot for a few years, as long as we replaced Horford with someone capable

[Bobshot]

Beal looks to me to be like Kemba Walker, a guy who got inflated touches being the single star of Charlotte, not a great team at the time.
Both averaged 31 ppg or thereabouts. That number disappeared when Walker came to Boston. Not enough touches. If Beal comes to Boston, expect a similar result, hopefully without the bad knees.

Brown is a better all around player, and still getting better.

The Celtics shouldn't trade Brown or Tatum for anybody. OTOH, Smart should be expendable. He was intended as defensive PG when he was drafted, not a shooter,  but  he has played more 2 than 1 as a Celtic.

[gift]

I really don't want to trade Jaylen.   The year to year growth we've seen from him already is pretty impressive & he's only going to be 25. 

Certainly not for Beal.

Year to year growth is huge. If he can continue to improve, even incrementally, over the next 2-3 seasons he'll probably be more valuable than what you receive in return.

[Big333223]

Beal looks to me to be like Kemba Walker, a guy who got inflated touches being the single star of Charlotte, not a great team at the time.
Both averaged 31 ppg or thereabouts. That number disappeared when Walker came to Boston. Not enough touches. If Beal comes to Boston, expect a similar result, hopefully without the bad knees.

Brown is a better all around player, and still getting better.

The Celtics shouldn't trade Brown or Tatum for anybody. OTOH, Smart should be expendable. He was intended as defensive PG when he was drafted, not a shooter,  but  he has played more 2 than 1 as a Celtic.

I also don't want to trade Jaylen for Beal, but let's be honest: Beal is a lot better than Kemba ever was.

Beal just averaged 30 and then 31 ppg. Kemba's best year on his bad team was 25.6 and prior to that had years of 22 and 23. Even at his best, Kemba wasn't quite in Beal's class as a scorer.

[gouki88]

Beal looks to me to be like Kemba Walker, a guy who got inflated touches being the single star of Charlotte, not a great team at the time.
Both averaged 31 ppg or thereabouts. That number disappeared when Walker came to Boston. Not enough touches. If Beal comes to Boston, expect a similar result, hopefully without the bad knees.

Brown is a better all around player, and still getting better.

The Celtics shouldn't trade Brown or Tatum for anybody. OTOH, Smart should be expendable. He was intended as defensive PG when he was drafted, not a shooter,  but  he has played more 2 than 1 as a Celtic.

Except for this season, where Beal averaged 31.3PPG alongside Westbrook, who was attempting 19 shots a game and had a usage rate of 30.2.

Kemba was also never the scorer that Beal has been over the last two seasons. In fact, only a handful of players in the league have been comparable - Harden is the only guy off the top of my head who has recently put up 30+ per game over multiple seasons (he averaged 31.7 from 2015-2020).

That all said, we shouldn't, and I don't think will, trade Brown for Beal

[slamtheking]

I would do Smart, Thompson, Timelord, Langford and a 1st for Beal in a heartbeat.

Gives us a three-headed monster of Tatum-Beal-Brown, still have Horford as well as quite a few young guys. Sign some veterans in free agency like Kent Bazemore (VetMin), Otto Porter (MLE - hopeful?), TJ McConnell, those types.

We'd have a legit title shot for a few years, as long as we replaced Horford with someone capable

I prefer the other deal mentioned where it's 2 firsts, not Langford and a first.  C's first rounders would figure to be in the mid-late 20's which will produce a long shot prospect that doesn't figure to be as good as Langford. 

[Ogaju]

Y’all missing the point. If Beal wants to come and Cs want to make Tatum happy is Brown gone?

I think if Tatum wants somebody other Jaylen they have think hard about it.

There is a bigger issue. If Beal asks to be traded to Boston most intelligent people will assume he has spoken to Tatum. Brown will probably figure those two have spoken. How does he take that?

What makes you think Jaylen wouldn’t also be part of that conversation?

They may be jockeying for the same position.

[flybono]

A point guard is needed to see exactly what you have in Brown and Tatum. Until then it would be a major gamble trading either player

Target should be Ball then find the all important bench depth

[boscel33]

A point guard is needed to see exactly what you have in Brown and Tatum. Until then it would be a major gamble trading either player

Target should be Ball then find the all important bench depth

This was my exact stance going into last years draft.  There was one sitting there when we picked Nesmith too.