Zach Lowe on Beal for Brown trade talk

[gouki88]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

[Jvalin]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.

(...) teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

[gouki88]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.
(...)
These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Ah yeah, my mistake! Confused all the Lonzo S&T talk with this in my tired brain

Doubt Washington is keen if it hard caps them

[Jvalin]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.
(...)
These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Ah yeah, my mistake! Confused all the Lonzo S&T talk with this in my tired brain

Doubt Washington is keen if it hard caps them

Don't think it would be a problem for them. If they trade Beal, they'll enter rebuild mode. Chances are they'd want to end up below the tax line anyway (let alone the apron). I mean, why would they wanna pay the luxury tax for a rebuilding team?

[gouki88]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.
(...)
These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Ah yeah, my mistake! Confused all the Lonzo S&T talk with this in my tired brain

Doubt Washington is keen if it hard caps them

Don't think it would be a problem for them. If they trade Beal, they'll enter rebuild mode. Chances are they'd want to end up below the apron anyway. I mean, why would they wanna pay tax for a rebuilding team?

I don't know about Washington. I think they're pretty happy to be a fringe playoff team, and as long as Westbrook is there I think they'd be stuck in that sort of limbo.

If they can ship him off, all that changes

[Jvalin]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.
(...)
These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

Ah yeah, my mistake! Confused all the Lonzo S&T talk with this in my tired brain

Doubt Washington is keen if it hard caps them

Don't think it would be a problem for them. If they trade Beal, they'll enter rebuild mode. Chances are they'd want to end up below the apron anyway. I mean, why would they wanna pay tax for a rebuilding team?

I don't know about Washington. I think they're pretty happy to be a fringe playoff team, and as long as Westbrook is there I think they'd be stuck in that sort of limbo.

If they can ship him off, all that changes

Their owner is notoriously cheap. The Wizards have paid the luxury tax only one time throughout their history ($7 million in 2017/18). Really don't think they'd be willing to end up above the tax line without Beal (let alone above the apron).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/tax/

[Birdman]

I can see the Wizards trading both Beal & Westbrook this offseason

[seancally]

I can see the Wizards trading both Beal & Westbrook this offseason

Me too.

Could also see them trading neither - they improved dramatically over the last portion of the season last year and made that playoffs push. Why wouldn’t they say, “screw it, run it back”?

Everyone thought Westbrook and Beal was an automatic playoff berth. Maybe it is.

If Beal asks for a trade, that changes. And if he signals he will sign with Boston, idk how many teams empty the cupboards for him.

[boscel33]

Read on Twitter, RWill is the name being thrown out most in a Beal trade.  If Beal is pushing the envelope and wants out, Washington will need to get something for him before he walks for nothing.  Let's remember, Harden was traded for some basketballs and picks (although I did like Oladipo), then Oladipo was traded for Bradley and Olynyk  .

RWill, Smart, TT and two 1st rounders for Beal

[td450]

Y’all missing the point. If Beal wants to come and Cs want to make Tatum happy is Brown gone?

Well, if Tatum were to evolve emotionally into one of those guys that needs the team to be built around his friendships(or he'll want out), then the smart move is to make a mega-deal and get rid of him and build around Jaylen instead, because he isn't wired that way.

I don't see Tatum going that route. If the C's ever became that sort of franchise, I guess that would be time for me to stop being a fan.

[LilRip]

Read on Twitter, RWill is the name being thrown out most in a Beal trade.  If Beal is pushing the envelope and wants out, Washington will need to get something for him before he walks for nothing.  Let's remember, Harden was traded for some basketballs and picks (although I did like Oladipo), then Oladipo was traded for Bradley and Olynyk  .

RWill, Smart, TT and two 1st rounders for Beal

This actually isn’t the craziest proposition. Really good value and comparable to deals for recent stars.

Beal-Brown-Tatum with Horford and a mystery starter (Pritchard?) sounds like a contender to me. Plus Fournier off the bench!

Yknow who would be nice to have? TJ McConnell. Scrappy PG who doesn’t seem like he’d command much salary. Idk how to get him but I think we could use a guy like him around a trio like Beal-Brown-Tatum

[Vermont Green]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.

(...) teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

And perhaps the most difficult part is that Fournier would have to agree to it.  A sign and trade is probably his path to the best contract but he does not have to agree if he does not want to go to a specific team.

This is all why it is hard to see Beal coming to the Celtics in a trade this year.  Yes, in theory, we could offer Fournier and Smart and picks but Fournier has to agree.  Charlotte overpaid for Hayward but they didn't give up any other players.  Washington would be giving up Beal and probably have to overpay Fournier.  That is why Brown is most likely in this if it happens and it seems most agree it is not worth giving up Brown for Beal.

[Moranis]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.

(...) teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

And perhaps the most difficult part is that Fournier would have to agree to it.  A sign and trade is probably his path to the best contract but he does not have to agree if he does not want to go to a specific team.

This is all why it is hard to see Beal coming to the Celtics in a trade this year.  Yes, in theory, we could offer Fournier and Smart and picks but Fournier has to agree.  Charlotte overpaid for Hayward but they didn't give up any other players.  Washington would be giving up Beal and probably have to overpay Fournier.  That is why Brown is most likely in this if it happens and it seems most agree it is not worth giving up Brown for Beal.

Smart, Thompson, and Nesmith/Langford/RW is enough salary to acquire Beal. 

[Muzzy66]

Can we use Fournier in a sign and trade package for Beal?

I think it's possible, but would also hard cap us

Yes, it's possible. It would hard cap the Wizards, not us.

If a team acquires a player in a sign-and-trade, then the Apron effectively becomes a hard cap for the remainder of that season.

(...) teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92

And perhaps the most difficult part is that Fournier would have to agree to it.  A sign and trade is probably his path to the best contract but he does not have to agree if he does not want to go to a specific team.

This is all why it is hard to see Beal coming to the Celtics in a trade this year.  Yes, in theory, we could offer Fournier and Smart and picks but Fournier has to agree.  Charlotte overpaid for Hayward but they didn't give up any other players.  Washington would be giving up Beal and probably have to overpay Fournier.  That is why Brown is most likely in this if it happens and it seems most agree it is not worth giving up Brown for Beal.

Smart, Thompson, and Nesmith/Langford/RW is enough salary to acquire Beal.

Langford please - the sooner he's gone the better so I can finally stop seeing ludirous posts from people who overrate his potential by about 5,000x beyond what it actually is. 

[Rosco917]

I still don't understand why we're talking about trading Jaylen Brown AND two core players, plus picks to get one player, who is debatably slightly more valuable than the actual player (Jaylen) being trading?

Brown has 5 or 6 years of his prime coming. He's also quite content to allow Tatum to be the face of the team. And frankly, if the Celtics would push pace Brown would kill in the open court.

Who the heck will come off the bench...on a team already weak in that area? This team needs playmaking and ball movement. Not a dime for two nickels.