Tell Me Why This Won't Happen (Beal)

[Celtics2021]

It is a reasonable offer given what other stars have been traded for and is absolutely worth doing, but unless Tatum really gets up into the top 5 player discussion, that team isn't going to contend for a title.  But if Tatum does, that trade would set the team up to actually compete a lot more than the current roster does.  It would absolutely be mortgaging the future though giving up Nesmith, Langford, and basically all future 1st's.  Again you have to do it, but how good the team is, is contingent almost solely on Tatum reaching his full potential

Why do people think teams are going to give up 3-4 firsts, plus draft pick swap options, plus several young players for a guy that is a potential 1 year rental? No team is going to give up that much for Beal. Did you forget the trade the C’s made for Kyrie? Players to match salaries and a 1st round pick and Irving was under contract for multiple years. Let’s be a little realistic.

that's what the price has been for other all-nba type guys getting dealt

Yes, but James Harden and Anthony Davis are a step up from Beal, and while maybe one could argue Paul George is closer to Beal’s level, he had an extra year left on his deal.  Further, Beal’s contract is not eligible for an extend-and-trade.

Those trades also didn't involve a very large multi-year contract going to the trading team.  Walker has negative value to the Wizards (not negative overall, but to the Wizards he does).  If Boston could find a 3rd team to take Walker without salary going to the Wizards, I don't think it would take that many picks to get it done.  So, like if NY absorbed Kemba and sent Knox or a 1st to Washington, I think Boston could get away with just a couple of 1st's (21 and 23) and probably no pick swaps.

1) If Kemba has more value to another team than the Wizards, he will be traded there.  That said, don’t be so sure that Washington, who always wants to compete even if they don’t know how, and likes big names to sell tickets, wouldn’t have interest in Kemba.

2) In this proposal, the Celtics are taking on a very bad contract themselves.  Dollars-wise Bertans is owed practically the same as Kemba, albeit stretched over 4 years instead of two.

[Moranis]

It is a reasonable offer given what other stars have been traded for and is absolutely worth doing, but unless Tatum really gets up into the top 5 player discussion, that team isn't going to contend for a title.  But if Tatum does, that trade would set the team up to actually compete a lot more than the current roster does.  It would absolutely be mortgaging the future though giving up Nesmith, Langford, and basically all future 1st's.  Again you have to do it, but how good the team is, is contingent almost solely on Tatum reaching his full potential

Why do people think teams are going to give up 3-4 firsts, plus draft pick swap options, plus several young players for a guy that is a potential 1 year rental? No team is going to give up that much for Beal. Did you forget the trade the C’s made for Kyrie? Players to match salaries and a 1st round pick and Irving was under contract for multiple years. Let’s be a little realistic.

that's what the price has been for other all-nba type guys getting dealt

Yes, but James Harden and Anthony Davis are a step up from Beal, and while maybe one could argue Paul George is closer to Beal’s level, he had an extra year left on his deal.  Further, Beal’s contract is not eligible for an extend-and-trade.

Those trades also didn't involve a very large multi-year contract going to the trading team.  Walker has negative value to the Wizards (not negative overall, but to the Wizards he does).  If Boston could find a 3rd team to take Walker without salary going to the Wizards, I don't think it would take that many picks to get it done.  So, like if NY absorbed Kemba and sent Knox or a 1st to Washington, I think Boston could get away with just a couple of 1st's (21 and 23) and probably no pick swaps.

1) If Kemba has more value to another team than the Wizards, he will be traded there.  That said, don’t be so sure that Washington, who always wants to compete even if they don’t know how, and likes big names to sell tickets, wouldn’t have interest in Kemba.

2) In this proposal, the Celtics are taking on a very bad contract themselves.  Dollars-wise Bertans is owed practically the same as Kemba, albeit stretched over 4 years instead of two.

Bertans doesn't have a bad contract.  It is long, but he is paid about what most very good role players are paid i.e. more than MLE, but not even double the MLE. 

[Celtics4ever]

I think Washington would say take a hike to the deal but it is a noble effort.  Beal would have to demand this and that may not happen.

I would not mind trading Kemba for John Wall who wants out of Houston either

[Who]

The one thing I don't understand is I think Beal is fantastic, but he has never won anything and has not gone far in the postseason.  This is different than getting KG, who carried a weak T-Wolves team to the western conference finals.  Is Beal the type of guy that can take us over the top and for whom we should trade away all our assets (other than Brown and Tatum) to acquire?

Beal isn't a franchise player.  He is a very good #2 secondary star type player.  That is why how good Boston is is almost entirely contingent on Tatum (that is whether Beal is here or not).  Tatum has a real chance to be a franchise player, if he gets to that level then Boston would have a real shot at competing for championships if the supporting cast is good enough(I think Brown and Beal would be good enough).  So that is why you would do the trade, but Tatum has to become THE GUY.

I am mostly on the same page with Beal = more of a #2 than a #1 as a franchise guy.

That said, I can see Beal as the #1 offensive player (as opposed to #1 overall player) on a Championship winning team. On a team that either has a #1 best overall player that is more of a game changer in other ways (say a young Dwight Howard). Or on a team with a lot of balance like those rarer 2014 Spurs, 2004 Pistons type squads.

I could see Boston building a team with a lot of balance like that second group and winning a title with Tatum, Jaylen and Beal without Tatum reaching that superstardom stratosphere. It would leave them with a fair bit of work still to do after putting those three together. They would need to rebalance the team. Get more big man help. Proper depth. It is doable.

I would push for that path and be happy to take that risk.

Tatum making that leap would of course still be a possibility that would make things easier but I would be happy to go to war with those 3 even without Tatum making that leap.

[JAH1892]

Smart
Beal
Brown
Tatum
Rob

Sounds like a winner to me