Your Ideal Tatum-Brown Lineup

[PhoSita]

I wonder if Indiana continues to be mediocre if there's any chance we could try to work out some kind of deal around Kemba + assets for Brogdon ....

[NKY fan]

I wonder if Indiana continues to be mediocre if there's any chance we could try to work out some kind of deal around Kemba + assets for Brogdon ....

This will be tricky. It depends also on what the relationship is like between Ainge and Pritchard. We might have to overpay

[Jvalin]

Here's a little game:

Start with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

Now fill out the rest of the lineup with some restrictions

- total cost of the other 3 guys has be $45 million or less
- nobody on a rookie contract
- nobody who has made All-NBA or All-Star in the last 3 years

PG: Cade Cunningham (he ain't on a rookie contract yet ) / Brogdon / Rozier / George Hill / Satoransky / De'Anthony Melton
SG: Brown
SF: Joe Ingles / Hayward / Tobias Harris / Kyle Anderson
PF: Tatum
C: Christian Wood / Ibaka / Richaun Holmes

I like Brogdon A LOT as an idea at point.

Unfortunately, he's injury prone. But then again, so is Kemba.

Fwiw, both Brogdon and Kemba were free agents in 2019. We had the cap space to sign him that year. We could have kept Baynes too.

Swap Kemba for Brogdon and Kanter for 2020 Baynes. Maybe that team would have made the NBA Finals (although I don't think we would have beaten the Lakers).

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I wonder if Indiana continues to be mediocre if there's any chance we could try to work out some kind of deal around Kemba + assets for Brogdon ....

sign me up for that
+1

[Moranis]

Is building around two swings even a winning strategy? The Clippers have two better ones in Kawhi and PG and they haven’t won anything yet.

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen say hello.  And I'm not suggesting that Tatum and Brown are MJ and Pip, merely pointing out that a franchise with a SG and SF as its best player won 6 titles in an 8 year span going 6-0 in the Finals with two 3-peats.  There are plenty of different ways you can win titles or create teams to be perennial contenders.  Heck before Steph Curry, the only team with its best player under basically 6'6" to win a title was the Bad Boy Pistons with Thomas (and arguably the West/Wilt Lakers).  Then Steph Curry came along and all of a sudden PG's are all the rage, even though no other team has come all that close since Curry and Curry basically only had 1 title as the best player.  Historically most champions do in fact have a big man and wing as their two best players, but that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to do it (the Raptors did it with a SF and PG, the Cavs the same, the aforementioned Warriors with a PG and SG the first time and a SF and PG the second two).    At the end of the day you just need talent because talent wins and that really is the bottom line.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Is building around two swings even a winning strategy? The Clippers have two better ones in Kawhi and PG and they haven’t won anything yet.

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen say hello.  And I'm not suggesting that Tatum and Brown are MJ and Pip, merely pointing out that a franchise with a SG and SF as its best player won 6 titles in an 8 year span going 6-0 in the Finals with two 3-peats.  There are plenty of different ways you can win titles or create teams to be perennial contenders.  Heck before Steph Curry, the only team with its best player under basically 6'6" to win a title was the Bad Boy Pistons with Thomas (and arguably the West/Wilt Lakers).  Then Steph Curry came along and all of a sudden PG's are all the rage, even though no other team has come all that close since Curry and Curry basically only had 1 title as the best player.  Historically most champions do in fact have a big man and wing as their two best players, but that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to do it (the Raptors did it with a SF and PG, the Cavs the same, the aforementioned Warriors with a PG and SG the first time and a SF and PG the second two).    At the end of the day you just need talent because talent wins and that really is the bottom line.

MJ and Pip have a very, very different combination of skills than Tatum and Brown.

[Celtics4ever]

I wonder if Indiana continues to be mediocre if there's any chance we could try to work out some kind of deal around Kemba + assets for Brogdon ....

I would love to see that happen.

Draft either a pass first PG or PF or sign.

I would have Timelord, Tatum and Brown and Fournier plus a PF and pass first PG.   I do not think that PG is Payton Pritchard as a starter and the PF is definitely no TT or GW.

[knuckleballer]

Here's a little game:

Start with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

Now fill out the rest of the lineup with some restrictions

- total cost of the other 3 guys has be $45 million or less
- nobody on a rookie contract
- nobody who has made All-NBA or All-Star in the last 3 years

PG: Cade Cunningham (he ain't on a rookie contract yet ) / Brogdon / Rozier / George Hill / Satoransky / De'Anthony Melton
SG: Brown
SF: Joe Ingles / Hayward / Tobias Harris / Kyle Anderson
PF: Tatum
C: Christian Wood / Ibaka / Richaun Holmes

I like Brogdon A LOT as an idea at point.

We need  pass-first PG to set the tone for moving the ball. IMO there will be an enormous improvement to morale with that one adjustment. Brogdon is unselfish and also can shoot. He would be great.

Agree.  I think the biggest key for this team is to get someone who will help get the ball moving and create for others.

[Moranis]

Is building around two swings even a winning strategy? The Clippers have two better ones in Kawhi and PG and they haven’t won anything yet.

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen say hello.  And I'm not suggesting that Tatum and Brown are MJ and Pip, merely pointing out that a franchise with a SG and SF as its best player won 6 titles in an 8 year span going 6-0 in the Finals with two 3-peats.  There are plenty of different ways you can win titles or create teams to be perennial contenders.  Heck before Steph Curry, the only team with its best player under basically 6'6" to win a title was the Bad Boy Pistons with Thomas (and arguably the West/Wilt Lakers).  Then Steph Curry came along and all of a sudden PG's are all the rage, even though no other team has come all that close since Curry and Curry basically only had 1 title as the best player.  Historically most champions do in fact have a big man and wing as their two best players, but that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to do it (the Raptors did it with a SF and PG, the Cavs the same, the aforementioned Warriors with a PG and SG the first time and a SF and PG the second two).    At the end of the day you just need talent because talent wins and that really is the bottom line.

MJ and Pip have a very, very different combination of skills than Tatum and Brown.

I don't think that is true at all.  They were better players at the same stage but skill set wise not really mich different

[nickagneta]

Is building around two swings even a winning strategy? The Clippers have two better ones in Kawhi and PG and they haven’t won anything yet.

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen say hello.  And I'm not suggesting that Tatum and Brown are MJ and Pip, merely pointing out that a franchise with a SG and SF as its best player won 6 titles in an 8 year span going 6-0 in the Finals with two 3-peats.  There are plenty of different ways you can win titles or create teams to be perennial contenders.  Heck before Steph Curry, the only team with its best player under basically 6'6" to win a title was the Bad Boy Pistons with Thomas (and arguably the West/Wilt Lakers).  Then Steph Curry came along and all of a sudden PG's are all the rage, even though no other team has come all that close since Curry and Curry basically only had 1 title as the best player.  Historically most champions do in fact have a big man and wing as their two best players, but that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to do it (the Raptors did it with a SF and PG, the Cavs the same, the aforementioned Warriors with a PG and SG the first time and a SF and PG the second two).    At the end of the day you just need talent because talent wins and that really is the bottom line.

MJ and Pip have a very, very different combination of skills than Tatum and Brown.

I don't think that is true at all.  They were better players at the same stage but skill set wise not really mich different

Of course it's true.

Pippen was a PG growing up and was moved to a SF position in college when he had a huge growth spurt.

Pippen's ball handling, play making and passing were on another level because of that. He was a very different breed of player compared to the Jays

I am not sure either Jay will ever get to that level in those abilities in that regard.

[gouki88]

PG: Dejounte Murray (14.3)
SG: SGA (4.1)
SF: Brown
PF: Tatum
C: Jonas V (15.0)

Totals at 33.4 - would use the remaining to bring Ingles (10.9) off the bench

[BoulderMike]

PG: Marcus Smart
SG: Jaylen Brown
SF: Jason Tatum
PF: Aaron Gordon
C: Robert Williams

[Surferdad]

Wrong thread

[Moranis]

Is building around two swings even a winning strategy? The Clippers have two better ones in Kawhi and PG and they haven’t won anything yet.

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen say hello.  And I'm not suggesting that Tatum and Brown are MJ and Pip, merely pointing out that a franchise with a SG and SF as its best player won 6 titles in an 8 year span going 6-0 in the Finals with two 3-peats.  There are plenty of different ways you can win titles or create teams to be perennial contenders.  Heck before Steph Curry, the only team with its best player under basically 6'6" to win a title was the Bad Boy Pistons with Thomas (and arguably the West/Wilt Lakers).  Then Steph Curry came along and all of a sudden PG's are all the rage, even though no other team has come all that close since Curry and Curry basically only had 1 title as the best player.  Historically most champions do in fact have a big man and wing as their two best players, but that doesn't mean there aren't other ways to do it (the Raptors did it with a SF and PG, the Cavs the same, the aforementioned Warriors with a PG and SG the first time and a SF and PG the second two).    At the end of the day you just need talent because talent wins and that really is the bottom line.

MJ and Pip have a very, very different combination of skills than Tatum and Brown.

I don't think that is true at all.  They were better players at the same stage but skill set wise not really mich different

Of course it's true.

Pippen was a PG growing up and was moved to a SF position in college when he had a huge growth spurt.

Pippen's ball handling, play making and passing were on another level because of that. He was a very different breed of player compared to the Jays

I am not sure either Jay will ever get to that level in those abilities in that regard.

Tatum played PG in high school.  Even Brown played the point for a small amount of time (at least according to scouting reports I've read).  They both grew sooner than Pippen so were most certainly wings when they hit college, but they both played some PG in high school. 

Here is an article chronicling Tatum as 14 year-old freshman PG for Chaminade (where he spent his entire high school career). 

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/tatum-s-shot-gives-chaminade-last-second-win-over-de/article_1584bbb4-5a17-11e2-907a-0019bb30f31a.html

At least by his junior year when he was a top 5 recruit he was already at forward, but he started his career off as a PG. 

And I know that isn't the same thing as Pippen, since Pippen hit his growth spurt so late and played PG much longer, but Tatum was absolutely a high school PG for awhile. And as I said, I've read scouting reports that say Brown also played some PG in high school.