Awful ideas about Jaylen

[footey]

I’d rather trade Tatum.

[droopdog7]

Why would you ever trade Jaylen Brown?

If you were to trade for that mythical first-tier big, you’d be doing it to add to Tatum and Brown, not to replace one of them. The whole idea is to build a championship contender, not to keep shuffling the deck.

I suppose we’ll keep hearing comments about Jaylen’s deficient ballhandling for a while. That’s one of those things that keeps getting echoed, despite its long being untrue. Hey - he’s a wizard with the ball. Not only that: he turns it over at a microscopic rate even as he is constantly taking it to the basket.

Another perspective on that: his turnover% has dropped each season he’s been in the league, while his assist% has risen each season. And that has happened even as his usage% has also risen each season.

He’s become highly effective at the short midrange this year. At .524, you want him taking those shots, whether out of the drive or mid-post.

So far 19.3% on the defensive board, outstanding for a wing. Sustainable? Maybe. But it’s worth noting for another reason - it’s an area of emphasis for the coaching staff this season, so that number is yet another mark of his coachability and team-first attitude. 

Big breakthrough in free-throw shooting. Three years of grade-D, now at last he’s shooting grade-B. Probably sustainable, but he has a long history of mediocrity.

Leader, team-first. He checks all the boxes. Got the extension done, on terms that fit the Celtics’ strategic planning, and taking a big piece of uncertainty out of the trade deadline and beyond.

Some guys plateau or even decline when they get a big contract; like Marcus Smart, he’s the opposite.

Brown is FAR from untradeable.  That kind of statement is reserved for someone like Luka Doncic; superstar talent on the way up where no number of really good players matchup.

Brown, on the other hand, is a good prospect.  Still not a perennial all star or anything like that in my book.

[nickagneta]

Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Technically Brown can be traded, but it's too complicated to even try.

This article clearly stated that players with rookie scale extensions can be traded, unlike veteran extensions.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/8/2/16080436/report-andrew-wiggins-contract-extension-offer-wolves-glen-taylor

However, Wiggins could receive an extension and still be traded. Veteran extensions prohibit the new signee from being traded for six months following the date of the signing but rookie scale extensions have no such provision. The newly extended Wiggins contract would be immediately tradable but it would be “poison pilled.”

Also, why trade Jaylen when he's playing at an All-Star level and the Celts convinced him not to insist on the max contract.

Once again, that article is wrong. Straight from Larry Coon:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons2. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade clauses -- currently only Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki have them.

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 90.)

- When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after converting a Two-Way contract to a standard contract (see question number 83), with the three months beginning on the date the contract is converted.

- For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.

- For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

- For 30 days after signing a Two-Way contract (see question number 82).

- For one year after signing a player to a Designated Veteran contract or extension (see question number 24).

- For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction5 (see question number 95).

- After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during the season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following season.

- A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.

- A team cannot acquire players during a season when they do not have room on their 15-man roster, even if they intend to waive an incoming player immediately. For example, a team with 14 players cannot trade one player for three, while simultaneously waiving an incoming player to remain at 15 players7.

Notice no mention of exclusion for rookie extension deals

[SHAQATTACK]

I’d rather trade Tatum.

i d rather trade Semi

[trickybilly]

The idea is to look at this from the perspective of another team looking to make a deep playoff run.

Ignore Celtics considerations.

What teams would Jaylen fit on well...

[Fierce1]

Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Technically Brown can be traded, but it's too complicated to even try.

This article clearly stated that players with rookie scale extensions can be traded, unlike veteran extensions.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/8/2/16080436/report-andrew-wiggins-contract-extension-offer-wolves-glen-taylor

However, Wiggins could receive an extension and still be traded. Veteran extensions prohibit the new signee from being traded for six months following the date of the signing but rookie scale extensions have no such provision. The newly extended Wiggins contract would be immediately tradable but it would be “poison pilled.”

Also, why trade Jaylen when he's playing at an All-Star level and the Celts convinced him not to insist on the max contract.

Once again, that article is wrong. Straight from Larry Coon:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons2. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade clauses -- currently only Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki have them.

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 90.)

- When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after converting a Two-Way contract to a standard contract (see question number 83), with the three months beginning on the date the contract is converted.

- For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.

- For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

- For 30 days after signing a Two-Way contract (see question number 82).

- For one year after signing a player to a Designated Veteran contract or extension (see question number 24).

- For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction5 (see question number 95).

- After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during the season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following season.

- A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.

- A team cannot acquire players during a season when they do not have room on their 15-man roster, even if they intend to waive an incoming player immediately. For example, a team with 14 players cannot trade one player for three, while simultaneously waiving an incoming player to remain at 15 players7.

Notice no mention of exclusion for rookie extension deals

Here's another article that proves Jaylen and Sabonis can be traded.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2019/10/21/what-domantas-sabonis-contract-extension-means-indiana-pacers/4057420002/

Can Sabonis still be traded?
Yes, once Dec. 15 comes, but the Poison Pill provision takes effect because of the extension. Sabonis is making $3.5 million this season with an average salary around $20 million when his extension takes effect in 2020-21. The Pacers would be sending out just $3.5 million (and that's the level of player they'd get in return for the slot). Sabonis' salary for the team he'd go to would be an average of his four extension seasons plus $3.5 million this year. That's in the neighborhood of $18 million against the cap for a receiving team. Such a deal like this is incredibly difficult to pull off and offers little benefit for the Pacers. Could it happen this season? Yes. Is it likely? No.

[nickagneta]

Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Technically Brown can be traded, but it's too complicated to even try.

This article clearly stated that players with rookie scale extensions can be traded, unlike veteran extensions.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/8/2/16080436/report-andrew-wiggins-contract-extension-offer-wolves-glen-taylor

However, Wiggins could receive an extension and still be traded. Veteran extensions prohibit the new signee from being traded for six months following the date of the signing but rookie scale extensions have no such provision. The newly extended Wiggins contract would be immediately tradable but it would be “poison pilled.”

Also, why trade Jaylen when he's playing at an All-Star level and the Celts convinced him not to insist on the max contract.

Once again, that article is wrong. Straight from Larry Coon:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons2. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade clauses -- currently only Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki have them.

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 90.)

- When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after converting a Two-Way contract to a standard contract (see question number 83), with the three months beginning on the date the contract is converted.

- For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.

- For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

- For 30 days after signing a Two-Way contract (see question number 82).

- For one year after signing a player to a Designated Veteran contract or extension (see question number 24).

- For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction5 (see question number 95).

- After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during the season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following season.

- A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.

- A team cannot acquire players during a season when they do not have room on their 15-man roster, even if they intend to waive an incoming player immediately. For example, a team with 14 players cannot trade one player for three, while simultaneously waiving an incoming player to remain at 15 players7.

Notice no mention of exclusion for rookie extension deals

Here's another article that proves Jaylen and Sabonis can be traded.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2019/10/21/what-domantas-sabonis-contract-extension-means-indiana-pacers/4057420002/

Can Sabonis still be traded?
Yes, once Dec. 15 comes, but the Poison Pill provision takes effect because of the extension. Sabonis is making $3.5 million this season with an average salary around $20 million when his extension takes effect in 2020-21. The Pacers would be sending out just $3.5 million (and that's the level of player they'd get in return for the slot). Sabonis' salary for the team he'd go to would be an average of his four extension seasons plus $3.5 million this year. That's in the neighborhood of $18 million against the cap for a receiving team. Such a deal like this is incredibly difficult to pull off and offers little benefit for the Pacers. Could it happen this season? Yes. Is it likely? No.

I am not going to get into this with you again. Larry Coon's site is the pre eminent site on the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. It is been considered as such for well over a decade. If the rules on that site say he can't be traded....he can't be traded.

The problem with writers across the country is they have little knowledge on the CBA and they do what most people do. Go see if a trade can work on a trade machine, learn a little about Poison Pill stuff and basic trade rules, then look on the internet and see if someone wrote about such a trade.

Oh look, this writer that never consulted the CBA or a site like Coon's wrote a mistake so if it's on the internet it must be true.

Those writers of those articles are wrong.

[Hoopvortex]

Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

He’s 31. He has a bad back. He’s owed more than $120M over the next four years. Switching onto smaller players is not a good bet; you have to adapt your team defense to his limitations. I wouldn’t consider his history of anxiety and panic attacks to be a deal-breaker, but the leadership that you’re going to get from someone who’s dealing with his own issues all the time is going to be limited.

Jaylen signed a big contract, but one that will allow the team to have flexibility. He’s 23. He guards up or down. I could go on, but suffice it to say that he will not be traded for Kevin Love.

[Fierce1]

Ignoring the fact that brown can’t be traded, the guy that would be perfect for this team is Kevin Love.

Technically Brown can be traded, but it's too complicated to even try.

This article clearly stated that players with rookie scale extensions can be traded, unlike veteran extensions.
https://www.canishoopus.com/2017/8/2/16080436/report-andrew-wiggins-contract-extension-offer-wolves-glen-taylor

However, Wiggins could receive an extension and still be traded. Veteran extensions prohibit the new signee from being traded for six months following the date of the signing but rookie scale extensions have no such provision. The newly extended Wiggins contract would be immediately tradable but it would be “poison pilled.”

Also, why trade Jaylen when he's playing at an All-Star level and the Celts convinced him not to insist on the max contract.

Once again, that article is wrong. Straight from Larry Coon:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q95

101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?
A "no-trade" clause prevents the team from trading the player without the player's consent. A no-trade clause can be negotiated into a new contract1 if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons2. They don't have to be the four most recent seasons -- for example, Horace Grant received a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for the requisite four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Few players actually have one of these negotiated no-trade clauses -- currently only Carmelo Anthony, LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki have them.

If a player with a negotiated no-trade clause consents to a trade and is traded, his no-trade clause remains in effect with his new team.

There are two additional circumstances in which a trade requires the player's consent:

When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.

For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent. The player must consent to a trade to any team, although he cannot be traded to the team that signed him to the offer sheet.

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

- For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 90.)

- When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended4, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or matching an offer sheet to a restricted free agent. This obviously does not apply to the trade completing a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92).

- For three months or until December 15 of that season (whichever is later) after converting a Two-Way contract to a standard contract (see question number 83), with the three months beginning on the date the contract is converted.

- For three months or until January 15 of that season (whichever is later) after re-signing a free agent with Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, if the team is over the cap, the player's new salary is above the minimum, and he receives a raise greater than 20%.

- For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

- For 30 days after signing a Two-Way contract (see question number 82).

- For one year after signing a player to a Designated Veteran contract or extension (see question number 24).

- For six months after signing a player to an extension that is over the limit (in terms of years, salary or raises) for an extend-and-trade transaction5 (see question number 95).

- After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during the season. If the player was claimed during the offseason, he cannot be traded until the 30th day of the following season.

- A team cannot reacquire a player it traded away during the same season (a season for this purpose being defined as starting on the first day of the regular season and ending on the last day of the Finals). If the player was traded between seasons (i.e., from the first day after the Finals to the last day prior to the start of the next regular season), it cannot reacquire the player prior to the end of the next season. If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first6. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, it can reacquire the player during the same season.

- A team cannot acquire players during a season when they do not have room on their 15-man roster, even if they intend to waive an incoming player immediately. For example, a team with 14 players cannot trade one player for three, while simultaneously waiving an incoming player to remain at 15 players7.

Notice no mention of exclusion for rookie extension deals

Here's another article that proves Jaylen and Sabonis can be traded.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2019/10/21/what-domantas-sabonis-contract-extension-means-indiana-pacers/4057420002/

Can Sabonis still be traded?
Yes, once Dec. 15 comes, but the Poison Pill provision takes effect because of the extension. Sabonis is making $3.5 million this season with an average salary around $20 million when his extension takes effect in 2020-21. The Pacers would be sending out just $3.5 million (and that's the level of player they'd get in return for the slot). Sabonis' salary for the team he'd go to would be an average of his four extension seasons plus $3.5 million this year. That's in the neighborhood of $18 million against the cap for a receiving team. Such a deal like this is incredibly difficult to pull off and offers little benefit for the Pacers. Could it happen this season? Yes. Is it likely? No.

I am not going to get into this with you again. Larry Coon's site is the pre eminent site on the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. It is been considered as such for well over a decade. If the rules on that site say he can't be traded....he can't be traded.

The problem with writers across the country is they have little knowledge on the CBA and they do what most people do. Go see if a trade can work on a trade machine, learn a little about Poison Pill stuff and basic trade rules, then look on the internet and see if someone wrote about such a trade.

Oh look, this writer that never consulted the CBA or a site like Coon's wrote a mistake so if it's on the internet it must be true.

Those writers of those articles are wrong.

I find it hard to believe that even the Indystar is wrong about this.
That's a legit media outlet.

Here's a list of players that can't be traded for a full year this season.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/10/special-trade-eligibility-dates-for-201920.html?fbclid=IwAR0GYPDcGF8Zh9laoIT9-Wk4tykM37c6YtFVd58WvOMt_Eexj9T74KicYOc

The following players fit that bill and can’t be traded during the 2019/20 season:

Eric Gordon (Rockets)
Bradley Beal (Wizards)
Joe Ingles (Jazz)
Cedi Osman (Cavaliers)
Damian Lillard (Trail Blazers)
Iman Shumpert (Nets)
Carmelo Anthony (Trail Blazers)
Juwan Morgan (Jazz)

If Jaylen and all those who signed rookie scale extensions can't be traded this season, they should be on that list.

There are numerous articles from numerous seasons, like the Andrew Wiggins case, that says the PPP can be traded, unlike the designated veteran extension.

Every sports writer in the U.S. got it wrong and only some of the Celtic fans here, on this forum, are right?