FGAs per game Who should get what

[Somebody]

I don't understand.  My thinking was that Danny's intention has been to "build around Hayward and Kemba" all along, ever since the Kemba trade.

And that is what he's already doing.   He's got a pair of all-star players both in their prime years the next few seasons.    And he's already put a solid set of teammates around those two.  An all-NBA defender plus two guys with all-star potential -- all three with playoff experience, despite their youth.   That's a lot of top tier talent already.

Kanter could break out further too. He was electric in those first two playoff series last year (although looked badly matched up against GSW.)

Against GSW we'll probably be exclusively playing guys like Grant Williams (yes I think he can be an impact player ala rookie Sullinger) and Theis at C to combat their options at C (Looney, Draymond, WCS) while being able to switch on Curry in PnRs.

[Celtics4ever]

Grant Williams (yes I think he can be an impact player ala rookie Sullinger)

He already has a better motor and tried on D, but is not an elite rebounder like Sully.   Lazy Comparison, and he is a lot more stronger than Sully and he shows signs of being able to shoot, something Sully never mastered.

[PhoSita]

I don't understand.  My thinking was that Danny's intention has been to "build around Hayward and Kemba" all along, ever since the Kemba trade.

And that is what he's already doing.   He's got a pair of all-star players both in their prime years the next few seasons.    And he's already put a solid set of teammates around those two.  An all-NBA defender plus two guys with all-star potential -- all three with playoff experience, despite their youth.   That's a lot of top tier talent already.

Ehh, there's a lot of positional redundancy and there are guys who are not yet in their prime and then a couple guys toward the end of theirs. It's not how you'd plan it if you were trying to go for it with those older guys.

Not to mention that if they were really building around Kemba and Hayward it would've made sense to pay up for horford and deal with the consequences later.


This team as constructed is a bridge to whatever comes next. The number one goal is figuring out what that next phase is.

[nickagneta]

The final FGA/gm stats for the team will always be lower than the sum of all the player's final FGA/gm come the end of the year. Someone gets hurt and then others take his shots while the player is out.

For that reason I think it's a faulty exercise to try to project #'s to fit into some already arrived upon # for the team in FGA/gm of 90 or 91 or 95. It just doesn't work that way.

But, what I want to see this year, which we never saw last year, is a clear offensive hierarchy designed to get the most efficient and effective scorers the shots. I think it looks like the hierarchy will be:

1. Kemba
2. Tatum
3a. Hayward
3b. Brown
5a. Kanter
5b. Smart

Then everyone else in absolutely no particular order. I also think the 2, 3a and 3b  slots could change depending upon the performance of those three players. I could easily see scenarios where Brown or Hayward become the #2 guy in the hierarchy, though my guess is Tatum will be given the most opportunity to be the #2 option. But I wouldn't rule out Hayward or Brown taking that spot from him through exceptional play.

[mmmmm]

I don't understand.  My thinking was that Danny's intention has been to "build around Hayward and Kemba" all along, ever since the Kemba trade.

And that is what he's already doing.   He's got a pair of all-star players both in their prime years the next few seasons.    And he's already put a solid set of teammates around those two.  An all-NBA defender plus two guys with all-star potential -- all three with playoff experience, despite their youth.   That's a lot of top tier talent already.

Ehh, there's a lot of positional redundancy and there are guys who are not yet in their prime and then a couple guys toward the end of theirs. It's not how you'd plan it if you were trying to go for it with those older guys.

Not to mention that if they were really building around Kemba and Hayward it would've made sense to pay up for horford and deal with the consequences later.

Once we got Kemba, the only way Danny could have kept Horford is with some help from the Nets or Sixers.  Danny apparently tried to get either of them to play ball but both declined.

[PhoSita]

I don't understand.  My thinking was that Danny's intention has been to "build around Hayward and Kemba" all along, ever since the Kemba trade.

And that is what he's already doing.   He's got a pair of all-star players both in their prime years the next few seasons.    And he's already put a solid set of teammates around those two.  An all-NBA defender plus two guys with all-star potential -- all three with playoff experience, despite their youth.   That's a lot of top tier talent already.

Ehh, there's a lot of positional redundancy and there are guys who are not yet in their prime and then a couple guys toward the end of theirs. It's not how you'd plan it if you were trying to go for it with those older guys.

Not to mention that if they were really building around Kemba and Hayward it would've made sense to pay up for horford and deal with the consequences later.

Once we got Kemba, the only way Danny could have kept Horford is with some help from the Nets or Sixers.  Danny apparently tried to get either of them to play ball but both declined.

OK -- well let me put it this way:

Adding Kemba without being able to keep Horford only makes sense if you view Kemba as sort of a transitional figure for the team, not the centerpiece of a team you expect to take the team where they want to go.

Contention without Horford is simply not possible given the way this team is constructed.  Period.


As it stands the roster looks very much like a team that needs to figure some things out.  They're much closer to a young reboot team than a go-for-it-now team. 

If they want to try to maximize competitiveness during the time that Kemba and Hayward are under contract and in their primes, they will need to trade away some of these young assets (especially Brown and Tatum who are fairly redundant positionally w/ Hayward) in order to construct a more solid framework.


The roster as it stands makes a lot more sense if the idea is for the team to stay afloat while they figure out which, if any, of the younger players on the team can be key figures on the next Celtics title contender.

[mmmmm]

I don't understand.  My thinking was that Danny's intention has been to "build around Hayward and Kemba" all along, ever since the Kemba trade.

And that is what he's already doing.   He's got a pair of all-star players both in their prime years the next few seasons.    And he's already put a solid set of teammates around those two.  An all-NBA defender plus two guys with all-star potential -- all three with playoff experience, despite their youth.   That's a lot of top tier talent already.

Ehh, there's a lot of positional redundancy and there are guys who are not yet in their prime and then a couple guys toward the end of theirs. It's not how you'd plan it if you were trying to go for it with those older guys.

Not to mention that if they were really building around Kemba and Hayward it would've made sense to pay up for horford and deal with the consequences later.

Once we got Kemba, the only way Danny could have kept Horford is with some help from the Nets or Sixers.  Danny apparently tried to get either of them to play ball but both declined.

OK -- well let me put it this way:

Adding Kemba without being able to keep Horford only makes sense if you view Kemba as sort of a transitional figure for the team, not the centerpiece of a team you expect to take the team where they want to go.

Contention without Horford is simply not possible given the way this team is constructed.  Period.


As it stands the roster looks very much like a team that needs to figure some things out.  They're much closer to a young reboot team than a go-for-it-now team. 

I don't see the team as either of those things.  I see this team as a really strong team that just happens to have a lot of young players.    I think their intention is to go as deep as they can in the playoffs right now.    Despite the youthfulness of the roster, EIGHT of the top of the rotation players all have playoff experience -- most of them quite a bit.

Certainly Danny will always look for ways to upgrade any part of the roster.  That's his job.  But everything he's done and said indicates to me that they don't view this as a 'bridge' year or anything like that.

Is the roster perfect?  Certainly not.   But it's put together about as optimally as it could be given the constraints Danny has had to work with.   And every team out there has its own set of questions and flaws.