Credit to the Magic, this is one of the more tolerable NBA Cup courts.  Gray is a neutral enough color that you can actually see what is going on. 

Quote from: Moranis on Yesterday at 04:38:30 PM

Those trades involve getting veterans and young players.  VanVleet even has a title.  And part of the reason I'd rather get players than draft picks is the experience they'd gain this year.  Harper looks like the real deal already (which is why the Spurs may not even move him for Brown).  You give him full reign this year and he is likely better than White next year (he may be right now).  Not better than Brown next year but maybe not too far off either. 

If the goal is to win a title, moves need to be made.  Team isn't good enough and won't have a chance without winning the lottery (which is a lot easier if you tank).

I get what you're saying and you've been saying it for a while.  My guess is you are wrong.  The goal of winning a title is probably more likely of they stay the course and strengthen the roster through trade and FA exceptions or minimums. 
I don't think you can deny the quality of JBs play so far this year - we'll see what happens - but he is clearly looking like a top 15, even top 10 player in the league.  Assuming JT is back next year and close to 100%, that's two top flight players in their primes - and we all remember that these two won a championship. 
Derek White is off to a terrible start, but guy can play, as can Pritchard.  We are all acknowledging that Queta looks like a strong back-up center in the making, we have two promising young guys in Minott and Hugo, a bench sharpshooter in Sam and a bench scorer in Simons.  Sorry but this is a pretty good team with zero other movers once Tatum is back.   
I think if Brad leaves it as is, it would not be a contender, but we know that Brad won't do that. 
If you are going to assume a top draft pick (and no guarantee where they'd pick) is going to be JB or better quality within a couple of years, you are dreaming just as much I am believing that Brad will pull off a trade for a staring center and will get veteran bench help.  Can he make up for Al, Jrue, and KP - I'm not sure, but I think it's a better bet with keeping Jays and DWhite, etc. than it would be with a JB trade and tank.

Brown has individually played well, the rest of the team not so much and once again Boston is better with Brown on the bench than in the game (-3.5 on/off diff per 100). Small sample size and that may go to the positive over the course of the season, however even if it does, wouldn't that support the idea that Brown and Tatum aren't good compliments to each other.  Their skill sets, position, etc. are similar, duplicative, not very complimentary to each other. They are better without the other.  Tatum is more skilled and better creates for others, something Brown hasn't really done this year and probably can't given his below average ball handling and passing skills.  With more room though, Brown is a more efficient scorer and showing he can put up lead scorer numbers.  Just doesn't create the gravity of a true #1 option.   

And I certainly might be wrong about the window being closed. Time will tell on that as the team is unlikely to make many moves other than shedding Simons salary.

Those trades involve getting veterans and young players.  VanVleet even has a title.  And part of the reason I'd rather get players than draft picks is the experience they'd gain this year.  Harper looks like the real deal already (which is why the Spurs may not even move him for Brown).  You give him full reign this year and he is likely better than White next year (he may be right now).  Not better than Brown next year but maybe not too far off either. 

If the goal is to win a title, moves need to be made.  Team isn't good enough and won't have a chance without winning the lottery (which is a lot easier if you tank).

I get what you're saying and you've been saying it for a while.  My guess is you are wrong.  The goal of winning a title is probably more likely of they stay the course and strengthen the roster through trade and FA exceptions or minimums. 
I don't think you can deny the quality of JBs play so far this year - we'll see what happens - but he is clearly looking like a top 15, even top 10 player in the league.  Assuming JT is back next year and close to 100%, that's two top flight players in their primes - and we all remember that these two won a championship. 
Derek White is off to a terrible start, but guy can play, as can Pritchard.  We are all acknowledging that Queta looks like a strong back-up center in the making, we have two promising young guys in Minott and Hugo, a bench sharpshooter in Sam and a bench scorer in Simons.  Sorry but this is a pretty good team with zero other movers once Tatum is back.   
I think if Brad leaves it as is, it would not be a contender, but we know that Brad won't do that. 
If you are going to assume a top draft pick (and no guarantee where they'd pick) is going to be JB or better quality within a couple of years, you are dreaming just as much I am believing that Brad will pull off a trade for a staring center and will get veteran bench help.  Can he make up for Al, Jrue, and KP - I'm not sure, but I think it's a better bet with keeping Jays and DWhite, etc. than it would be with a JB trade and tank. 

Those trades involve getting veterans and young players.  VanVleet even has a title.  And part of the reason I'd rather get players than draft picks is the experience they'd gain this year.  Harper looks like the real deal already (which is why the Spurs may not even move him for Brown).  You give him full reign this year and he is likely better than White next year (he may be right now).  Not better than Brown next year but maybe not too far off either. 

If the goal is to win a title, moves need to be made.  Team isn't good enough and won't have a chance without winning the lottery (which is a lot easier if you tank).

So you are saying that VanVleet and Harper give BOS a better chance to win a title than Brown and White?  Even if you consider a timeline of 3 seasons, you think for the next 3 seasons that BOS is better with this?  If I thought this did make BOS better, I would do the trade, but I don't.  And if you look out beyond 3 seasons, Brown will only be 32.  Can you even be sure that Harper is as good as Brown then?

How many seasons did it take SGA to lead a team to a title (spoiler alert, 7 seasons)?  So even if Harper is as good as SGA (which is unlikely, but possible), it is going to be 3 or 4 seasons at best.

The rebuild of this sort is the last resort.  Pierce was 35 and Garnett was 37 when Ainge traded them to the Nets.  It may come to a point where Brown and even Tatum should be traded, but I don't see that time as now, at least not for prospects, draft picks, and a few half decent players.

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EDIT:  On the topic of Filipowski:  it's worth keeping in mind that our current frontcourt black hole did not exist when we were making that pick.  Yeah, he'd be nice to have NOW.  At the time we made the pick, we had KP and Horford under contract and were in the process of re-signing Kornet, Tillman (back when we thought we had fleeced the Grizzlies out of a good rotation big man) and Queta

We knew Horford was nearing retirement and needed to be replaced.  Brad also said he's known the team would be blown up since the Bragdon trade.  So, needing a big was pretty foreseeable.

not necessarily. I mean it could have been White moved with KP and a re-signed Horford still here