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Brandon Miller situation
« on: February 23, 2023, 03:37:40 PM »

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Makes me glad the c's are not in the lotto. Would not like him or his coach to be involved with the c's

https://sports.yahoo.com/analyzing-the-case-regarding-alabamas-brandon-miller-190452185.html

Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2023, 03:55:27 PM »

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I have read bits and pieces but am still confused. So the gun used in the murder was Miller's but it seems that he returned them to the police (right away?) and essentially denounced it and blamed it on Miles. Is that correct?

Initially I thought that Miller was roommates with him and only told officials because he was there. Using Miller's gun seems to be a bit careless for Miller.

Was the gun itself also legal? Was Miller allowed to carry it?
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Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2023, 03:59:45 PM »

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I read the letter/statement from his Lawyer.  I don't think it is as simple as he knew his friend was going to murder someone and gave him a gun knowing he was going to commit a crime.  Hard to know what really did go down though.  If someone leaves a gun in your back seat, you are going to give it back to him at some point.  Under what circumstance would it be OK to not give the gun back to its rightful owner?  Is someone supposed to make a determination about whether there was intent to commit a crime before you give it back?  And for how long?  If you return a gun to its owner, are you culpable for an hour, a day?

Again, I am sure I don't know all the details.  If it is something different than the gun being left in his back seat, if he went and got the gun from somewhere else and brought it to the crime scene, that seems different.

Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2023, 04:02:45 PM »

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Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2023, 04:07:24 PM »

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I have read bits and pieces but am still confused. So the gun used in the murder was Miller's but it seems that he returned them to the police (right away?) and essentially denounced it and blamed it on Miles. Is that correct?

Initially I thought that Miller was roommates with him and only told officials because he was there. Using Miller's gun seems to be a bit careless for Miller.

Was the gun itself also legal? Was Miller allowed to carry it?

It was his friend's gun that his friend left in the back seat of his car:

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Standridge said Miles asked Miller for a ride to a night club on the Strip, and Miles brought his handgun and left it in the back seat of Miller's vehicle.

And he claims he didn't know it was there:

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"Brandon never saw the handgun nor handled it," Standridge said. "Further, it is our understanding that the weapon was concealed under some clothing in the back seat of the car."

Miller didn't go in the nightclub, Standridge said. Instead, Miller went to a restaurant to eat before Miles later asked Miller to pick up him to take him to another location to join friends. After an hour at the restaurant, Miller first gave a ride home to another individual before picking up Miles.

In the meantime, Standridge said Miles and "the individual with Ms. Harris apparently exchanged words."

"Without Brandon knowing any of this context, and as Brandon was already on the way to pick up Mr. Miles, Mr. Miles texted Brandon and asked him to bring him his firearm," Standridge said. "Brandon subsequently arrived at the scene to pick up Mr. Miles."

Standridge added Miller didn't get out of his vehicle and didn't interact with anyone in Harris' party, nor was Miller involved in a verbal altercation.


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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2023, 04:42:52 PM »

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So your friend is drunk and partying, texts you he got into it and to bring his gun, and he thinks it is a good idea to bring his gun.  Sure seems like an argument for some form of negligence leading to death or accessory to murder.  Probably not to the level of negligent homicide (since you would generally have to cause the death to be homicide), but doesn't smell right.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2023, 04:44:21 PM »

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I have read bits and pieces but am still confused. So the gun used in the murder was Miller's but it seems that he returned them to the police (right away?) and essentially denounced it and blamed it on Miles. Is that correct?

Initially I thought that Miller was roommates with him and only told officials because he was there. Using Miller's gun seems to be a bit careless for Miller.

Was the gun itself also legal? Was Miller allowed to carry it?

It was his friend's gun that his friend left in the back seat of his car:

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Standridge said Miles asked Miller for a ride to a night club on the Strip, and Miles brought his handgun and left it in the back seat of Miller's vehicle.

And he claims he didn't know it was there:

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"Brandon never saw the handgun nor handled it," Standridge said. "Further, it is our understanding that the weapon was concealed under some clothing in the back seat of the car."

Miller didn't go in the nightclub, Standridge said. Instead, Miller went to a restaurant to eat before Miles later asked Miller to pick up him to take him to another location to join friends. After an hour at the restaurant, Miller first gave a ride home to another individual before picking up Miles.

In the meantime, Standridge said Miles and "the individual with Ms. Harris apparently exchanged words."

"Without Brandon knowing any of this context, and as Brandon was already on the way to pick up Mr. Miles, Mr. Miles texted Brandon and asked him to bring him his firearm," Standridge said. "Brandon subsequently arrived at the scene to pick up Mr. Miles."

Standridge added Miller didn't get out of his vehicle and didn't interact with anyone in Harris' party, nor was Miller involved in a verbal altercation.
Lawyer spinning up a story like crazy with that.  no matter what really happened (and that story seems like some liberties were taken), the kid's hoped-for NBA career took a major hit if not totally crapped out. 

The recent issues with Ja Morant's crew's interactions with the Pacers aren't going to help this kid's prospects either.

Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2023, 05:09:14 PM »

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I have read bits and pieces but am still confused. So the gun used in the murder was Miller's but it seems that he returned them to the police (right away?) and essentially denounced it and blamed it on Miles. Is that correct?

Initially I thought that Miller was roommates with him and only told officials because he was there. Using Miller's gun seems to be a bit careless for Miller.

Was the gun itself also legal? Was Miller allowed to carry it?

It was his friend's gun that his friend left in the back seat of his car:

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Standridge said Miles asked Miller for a ride to a night club on the Strip, and Miles brought his handgun and left it in the back seat of Miller's vehicle.

And he claims he didn't know it was there:

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"Brandon never saw the handgun nor handled it," Standridge said. "Further, it is our understanding that the weapon was concealed under some clothing in the back seat of the car."

Miller didn't go in the nightclub, Standridge said. Instead, Miller went to a restaurant to eat before Miles later asked Miller to pick up him to take him to another location to join friends. After an hour at the restaurant, Miller first gave a ride home to another individual before picking up Miles.

In the meantime, Standridge said Miles and "the individual with Ms. Harris apparently exchanged words."

"Without Brandon knowing any of this context, and as Brandon was already on the way to pick up Mr. Miles, Mr. Miles texted Brandon and asked him to bring him his firearm," Standridge said. "Brandon subsequently arrived at the scene to pick up Mr. Miles."

Standridge added Miller didn't get out of his vehicle and didn't interact with anyone in Harris' party, nor was Miller involved in a verbal altercation.

Okay, so if I am reading correctly, the gun was NOT Miller's gun. It was left in his car so he goes back and returns it to him. I read before that it was his gun but the killer was the one that used it. If latter was the case, I can see a negligence charge but if the gun wasn't his and he was simply returning it, I can see him being innocent.
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Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2023, 05:19:07 PM »

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So your friend is drunk and partying, texts you he got into it and to bring his gun, and he thinks it is a good idea to bring his gun.  Sure seems like an argument for some form of negligence leading to death or accessory to murder.  Probably not to the level of negligent homicide (since you would generally have to cause the death to be homicide), but doesn't smell right.

I thought he didnít actually intentionally bring him his gun. He saw the message on his way and didnít even know the gun was left in his backseat. When he realized there was something happening footage showed him just getting out of there immediately and not even witnessing the crime. Is this inaccurate?

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2023, 07:26:28 PM »

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https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1628502011317563392

Full biased report from his attorney and it is still bad for Miller. 
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Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2023, 08:07:07 PM »

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https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1628502011317563392

Full biased report from his attorney and it is still bad for Miller.

Obviously this is a very biased version of events but how does this look bad for him? A summary of him giving the guy a ride without knowing thereís a gun, then goes get food, gets a call requesting a ride again so he goes back and the guy shoots somebody while heís in the car. How does this make him look bad?
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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2023, 08:16:05 PM »

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https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1628502011317563392

Full biased report from his attorney and it is still bad for Miller.

Obviously this is a very biased version of events but how does this look bad for him? A summary of him giving the guy a ride without knowing thereís a gun, then goes get food, gets a call requesting a ride again so he goes back and the guy shoots somebody while heís in the car. How does this make him look bad?
He knowingly brought a drunk person a gun after they specifically asked for the gun, he let that drunk person grab the gun out of his car, and that drunk person then used said gun to shoot into a car 8 times in which someone was killed. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2023, 08:17:16 PM »

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So your friend is drunk and partying, texts you he got into it and to bring his gun, and he thinks it is a good idea to bring his gun.  Sure seems like an argument for some form of negligence leading to death or accessory to murder.  Probably not to the level of negligent homicide (since you would generally have to cause the death to be homicide), but doesn't smell right.

I thought he didnít actually intentionally bring him his gun. He saw the message on his way and didnít even know the gun was left in his backseat. When he realized there was something happening footage showed him just getting out of there immediately and not even witnessing the crime. Is this inaccurate?
Sounds pretty accurate based on what I've read.  This article has a good summary of the info Miller's lawyer has provided.  Not sure about Miller not knowing about the gun being in the back seat.  The statement was Miller never saw or handled the gun.  So it could be possible Miles might have said he was leaving the gun in the backseat.  One tidbit that I hadn't read anywhere else is that after leaving the restaurant Miller dropped someone off before going to pickup Miles. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2023/02/22/brandon-miller-attorney-alabama-basketball-star-fatal-shooting/11326467002/

Some will offhand dismiss the lawyer's statement; however, it represents Miller's account of the incident. With all the evidence available, the police would have been able to verify the accuracy of Miller's account to a large degree.   The key is the police conducted their investigation and the D.A. determined not to charge Miller with any crime. 

It is interesting that all the focus is on Miller.  Jaden Bradley, another Alabama basketball player, was involved and apparently, unlike Miller, was there during the confrontation. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2023, 08:20:45 PM »

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https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1628502011317563392

Full biased report from his attorney and it is still bad for Miller.

Obviously this is a very biased version of events but how does this look bad for him? A summary of him giving the guy a ride without knowing thereís a gun, then goes get food, gets a call requesting a ride again so he goes back and the guy shoots somebody while heís in the car. How does this make him look bad?
He knowingly brought a drunk person a gun after they specifically asked for the gun, he let that drunk person grab the gun out of his car, and that drunk person then used said gun to shoot into a car 8 times in which someone was killed.

The drunk person wasnít written on his lawyer part, therefore I was wondering what makes it look back from that statement. Obviously if he was aware that he was drunk and he requested his gun then itís obviously bad. Even if he was aware that he has drank but wasnít drunk, I think requesting to come back with his gun is a reasonable request. If somebody forgets a gun in my car, Iím giving it back as soon as you I can since I donít want to be caught with somebody elseís gun.
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Re: Brandon Miller situation
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2023, 08:58:52 PM »

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https://twitter.com/JournoRyan/status/1628502011317563392

Full biased report from his attorney and it is still bad for Miller.

Obviously this is a very biased version of events but how does this look bad for him? A summary of him giving the guy a ride without knowing thereís a gun, then goes get food, gets a call requesting a ride again so he goes back and the guy shoots somebody while heís in the car. How does this make him look bad?
He knowingly brought a drunk person a gun after they specifically asked for the gun, he let that drunk person grab the gun out of his car, and that drunk person then used said gun to shoot into a car 8 times in which someone was killed.
Where are you getting that Miller knew the gun was in the backseat?  Miles had asked Miller to pick him up.  It was only later when Miller was already on the way to pickup Miles that Miles sent the gun text.  The lawyer statement is clear that Miller never saw or handled the gun.  So Miller may or may not have known the gun was in the backseat.  It isn't clear whether Miller even read the gun text.  I think I read somewhere that it was Davis not Miles who went in the backseat to retrieve the gun. 

I thought I read that there were 8 total shots with 4 into the car and 4 out of it.  The boyfriend in the car shot Davis twice.