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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #360 on: September 14, 2021, 10:06:14 AM »

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Mac Jones dinked and dunked his way to a high completion percentage, but it is also why the Patriots couldn't score in the red zone and only scored 16 points in a losing effort.  The Patriots aren't good enough to game manage their way to a good season.  If they are going to have any real success, they need to take the training wheels off and let Jones go.  Maybe Jones can't do that, but if he does, that is the only real way for New England to have any real meaningful success this season.

They did score in the red zone. Mac through a TD pass to Nelson Agholor. The reason they lost is because that RB’s couldn't hold on to the ball. I do think there will be more passing Plays in future games, though.. Mac looked great and he outperformed Tua. Also had a better game than Wilson or Lawrence.
The Patriots won the time of possession basically 37 to 23, outgained Miami basically 400 to 260, and had 24 first downs to 16.  They weren't as clean committing significantly more penalties and having the 2 turnovers to 1, but the difference in the game was Miami was 2 for 2 in the red zone and New England was 1 of 4 (for TD's).   They just didn't trust Jones.  I'd rather see a team let a QB go all out like Jacksonville did and deal with the growing pains of a young QB who needs that experience.  If they are going to keep the training wheels on Mac, they aren't going to have a very good year and will keep losing games that statistically they dominate.
Glad you don't run the Patriots because your idea of opening up the whole playbook, to a starting rookie, in their first game ever, and risk destroying his confidence and perhaps his health due to trying to do too much, might be about the absolute worst take you have ever made on this board.

The history of not properly managing rookie QBs and stunting both their long and short term development is a very, very, very long one. On the other hand, Belichick managed the first few years of the greatest QB in history before letting him go all out....and that seemed to workout fine.

I will trust Bill here, not your poor opinion.
There are countless examples of QB's being managed or QB's being let loose that both succeed and fail.  There is no right answer.  I was more objecting to the notion that Mac played well because I have no idea.  He barely threw the ball more than 10 yards.  His throws all game long were short safe throws.  Those tell you basically nothing about the level of QB play.
Did you watch the game? I mean actually watch it rather than skim over the box score, read a quick article and come out with an opinion?

Mac threw it down field for at least 25% of his attempts. He completed 7 passes over 10 yards and 4 over 20. And when he threw it most of those throws were perfect. That 26 yarder to White was a thing of beauty that a lot of veterans would have trouble throwing.

And most of his short passes were fast read check downs because he was under pressure and his medium and long options were covered. The short check down was the 100% proper thing to do rather than force something longer that could lead to an INT.

Given Mac's experience, he played with intelligence and maturity and put his team in the best position to win.

Open the playbook 100% for a rookie.
Let the 1st time playing in the NFL QB go all out.
Don't throw a lot of short intelligent passes.
Don't properly manage a rookie QB.

Shaking my head at that type of horrible football coaching. Clearly, Belichick is right here and you, once again, dead wrong. He put Jones in the best position to win the game. Jones wasn't why the Pats lost. Mac was why, except for a fumble in the end zone late, they should have won

Thank you, Nick. Couldn’t have been said better.

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #361 on: September 14, 2021, 12:26:57 PM »

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That MNF Game was awesome.

4th quarter was very exciting.  OT was kind of a "who can choke worse" fest.  But definitely entertaining.

As for Mac and the Pats..lots to be happy about, but still annoying that they lost a game they were in position to win.  No matter how great Mac looks, there are only so many games like that that are tolerable in terms of keeping things in perspective.
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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #362 on: September 19, 2021, 05:34:10 AM »

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Read this article on ESPN regarding Jones and Wilson and how the two QBs are looked upon, how they are being handled, how they played last week, and so on

Basically everything I said about how to handle rookie  QBs and how QBs are developed properly(note their description of the Sam Darnold Effect) was reiterated in the article as was just how good Jones played given he was blitzed 45% of the time and made the proper reads and had success on those plays.

It's a good read:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32219470/new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-rivalry-goes-gen-z-qb-mac-jones-zach-wilson
« Last Edit: September 19, 2021, 05:40:04 AM by nickagneta »

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #363 on: September 19, 2021, 02:01:27 PM »

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Wow.  The Jets might be competitive in this game if their QB didn't throwing the ball to the Pats.  That last one was rough.


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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #364 on: September 19, 2021, 02:23:01 PM »

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Not stopping the run all that well and the Jets D has looked pretty good.  A 10-point lead may not hold up if Wilson stops throwing it to the Patriots.

Kudos to Nick Folk.  Mac has made a couple of mistakes but he has been really accurate and impressive for a guy in his 2nd NFL game.

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #365 on: September 19, 2021, 02:47:36 PM »

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Nice win. I like Mac!

Next week at this time we’ll be a couple days from training camp.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2021, 04:14:40 PM by Neurotic Guy »

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #366 on: September 19, 2021, 04:17:55 PM »

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Darnold looks awesome in Carolina.  Looks like it is the Jets that have been and still are the problem.  The Jets are just awful.
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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #367 on: September 19, 2021, 04:48:45 PM »

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Darnold looks awesome in Carolina.  Looks like it is the Jets that have been and still are the problem.  The Jets are just awful.
They'll probably ruin Wilson (and whoever comes after him) before realising it's their fault
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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #368 on: September 19, 2021, 09:17:28 PM »

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Read this article on ESPN regarding Jones and Wilson and how the two QBs are looked upon, how they are being handled, how they played last week, and so on

Basically everything I said about how to handle rookie  QBs and how QBs are developed properly(note their description of the Sam Darnold Effect) was reiterated in the article as was just how good Jones played given he was blitzed 45% of the time and made the proper reads and had success on those plays.

It's a good read:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32219470/new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-rivalry-goes-gen-z-qb-mac-jones-zach-wilson

Yeah the person you were arguing with was arguing just to argue but you had the stats to back it up. Really nailed it though and reason to be excited.

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #369 on: September 19, 2021, 10:49:54 PM »

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So which team is stopping the Bucs this year?

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #370 on: September 19, 2021, 11:09:41 PM »

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So which team is stopping the Bucs this year?

In the NFC probably the Seahawks, Rams, Cowboys, or Green Bay.

In the AFC...Kansas City

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #371 on: September 19, 2021, 11:25:19 PM »

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Man that was a gutsy call by the Ravens.  Go for it on 4th and 1 on your side of the field with a minute left and only up 1.  But when you get it, you end the game.  They may regret the loss to the Raiders last week, but man that was a gutsy call and you get a big win against the Chiefs.
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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #372 on: September 19, 2021, 11:27:09 PM »

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Read this article on ESPN regarding Jones and Wilson and how the two QBs are looked upon, how they are being handled, how they played last week, and so on

Basically everything I said about how to handle rookie  QBs and how QBs are developed properly(note their description of the Sam Darnold Effect) was reiterated in the article as was just how good Jones played given he was blitzed 45% of the time and made the proper reads and had success on those plays.

It's a good read:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32219470/new-england-patriots-new-york-jets-rivalry-goes-gen-z-qb-mac-jones-zach-wilson

Yeah the person you were arguing with was arguing just to argue but you had the stats to back it up. Really nailed it though and reason to be excited.
except Sam Darnold looks awesome in Carolina thus far this year. 
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PF - Karl Malone 97, Spencer Haywood 73, David West 08
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Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #373 on: September 19, 2021, 11:28:04 PM »

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Man that was a gutsy call by the Ravens.  Go for it on 4th and 1 on your side of the field with a minute left and only up 1.  But when you get it, you end the game.  They may regret the loss to the Raiders last week, but man that was a gutsy call and you get a big win against the Chiefs.

To beat KC and Patrick Mahomes, you need to play aggressively. You punt it, and that game is over for Baltimore with KC win. Keep Patrick Mahomes off the field as much as possible. If they go down 0-2, then they should've played better the first two games. The season is still far from over. I like that decision by Harbaugh though.

Re: NFL 2021 Season
« Reply #374 on: September 19, 2021, 11:48:59 PM »

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Man that was a gutsy call by the Ravens.  Go for it on 4th and 1 on your side of the field with a minute left and only up 1.  But when you get it, you end the game.  They may regret the loss to the Raiders last week, but man that was a gutsy call and you get a big win against the Chiefs.

Guess they learned from GB’s mistake in the playoffs against TB last year. It was the right call, either way.