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Re: Is Len Bias really as good as Bill Simmons says he is?
« Reply #45 on: April 14, 2021, 07:27:36 PM »

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And the next year we drafted Reggie Lewis

Things just kept getting worse for the Celtics. Then we finally caught a break and Paul Pearce fell to us and then was stabbed and they barely missed his heart. That's what made 2008 so special. Coming back from all the bad luck from 86 onward. Bias was an absolute monster NBA player who never got to play. I believe his floor was Dominic and his ceiling was Jordan. So big and so athletic.

"NBA Board of Governors, which denied a Celtics' request for compensation in the matter of Reggie Lewis' salary cap case. At the time of his death July 27, Lewis was making $3.3 million and entering the third year of a five-year contract worth nearly $15 million."

Re: Is Len Bias really as good as Bill Simmons says he is?
« Reply #46 on: April 14, 2021, 07:41:55 PM »

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Also, Brad Daugherty was Cleveland’s No 1 pick in 86.  They needed or wanted a starting center. I think Daugherty was a skilled 7 footer.  He played with Jordan a UNC.
as the story goes, Red told the Cleveland rep at the draft drawing that if they didn't take Daugherty, he would which was his masterful way of getting Bias to drop to him at #2.

Color me highly skeptical. Daughtery and Bias were considered as tossups for the first pick, but with the Chief and Walton on the dominant 1986 team, Bias was the obvious pick for us to anyone looking from the outside. Daughtery was 7 feet and turned into a 5-time all-star. He would have had more if he remained healthy, but he retired at the age of 28 with a chronic bad back. He was an excellent first pick as expected except for injuries.

I was was heavily into college ball as well as the Cs back then and I and the Cs' fans I knew were ecstatic with the Bias selection and I was more sure of it than any pick we've had since including Tatum, who was my binky when he got drafted. Only Bird was a surer thing in my mind and I go back to the early 60s following the Cs.

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« Reply #47 on: April 14, 2021, 07:53:56 PM »

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Also, Brad Daugherty was Cleveland’s No 1 pick in 86.  They needed or wanted a starting center. I think Daugherty was a skilled 7 footer.  He played with Jordan a UNC.
as the story goes, Red told the Cleveland rep at the draft drawing that if they didn't take Daugherty, he would which was his masterful way of getting Bias to drop to him at #2.

Color me highly skeptical. Daughtery and Bias were considered as tossups for the first pick, but with the Chief and Walton on the dominant 1986 team, Bias was the obvious pick for us to anyone looking from the outside. Daughtery was 7 feet and turned into a 5-time all-star. He would have had more if he remained healthy, but he retired at the age of 28 with a chronic bad back. He was an excellent first pick as expected except for injuries.

I was was heavily into college ball as well as the Cs back then and I and the Cs' fans I knew were ecstatic with the Bias selection and I was more sure of it than any pick we've had since including Tatum, who was my binky when he got drafted. Only Bird was a surer thing in my mind and I go back to the early 60s following the Cs.
I feel like Red might have been expecting the Chief to age like a normal human being, and not be a starting calibre big into his 40s. Could have factored into it
Fire Brad & Trade Smart

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And the next year we drafted Reggie Lewis

Things just kept getting worse for the Celtics. Then we finally caught a break and Paul Pearce fell to us and then was stabbed and they barely missed his heart. That's what made 2008 so special. Coming back from all the bad luck from 86 onward. Bias was an absolute monster NBA player who never got to play. I believe his floor was Dominic and his ceiling was Jordan. So big and so athletic.

"NBA Board of Governors, which denied a Celtics' request for compensation in the matter of Reggie Lewis' salary cap case. At the time of his death July 27, Lewis was making $3.3 million and entering the third year of a five-year contract worth nearly $15 million."

tP....all this about did me in with NBA .....I needed a long break , people dying is just not fun , ANd I NEEDED HAPPY wAYs to spend my youth.

Re: Is Len Bias really as good as Bill Simmons says he is?
« Reply #49 on: April 14, 2021, 08:27:05 PM »

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One of my brothers saw Len Bias at the Celtics summer camp when Len was I think a Sophomore and he came home raving about this college kid who was dominating everyone on the court. I always wished I was there with him that summer.   Such a shame .

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Also, Brad Daugherty was Cleveland’s No 1 pick in 86.  They needed or wanted a starting center. I think Daugherty was a skilled 7 footer.  He played with Jordan a UNC.
as the story goes, Red told the Cleveland rep at the draft drawing that if they didn't take Daugherty, he would which was his masterful way of getting Bias to drop to him at #2.

Color me highly skeptical. Daughtery and Bias were considered as tossups for the first pick, but with the Chief and Walton on the dominant 1986 team, Bias was the obvious pick for us to anyone looking from the outside. Daughtery was 7 feet and turned into a 5-time all-star. He would have had more if he remained healthy, but he retired at the age of 28 with a chronic bad back. He was an excellent first pick as expected except for injuries.

I was was heavily into college ball as well as the Cs back then and I and the Cs' fans I knew were ecstatic with the Bias selection and I was more sure of it than any pick we've had since including Tatum, who was my binky when he got drafted. Only Bird was a surer thing in my mind and I go back to the early 60s following the Cs.
I feel like Red might have been expecting the Chief to age like a normal human being, and not be a starting calibre big into his 40s. Could have factored into it
agreed.  if Cleveland had taken Bias instead, no way Red would have passed on Daugherty.  you don't pass on a talent like that just because you have other good players at that position.  besides, the story about Red was mentioned by several sources

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« Reply #51 on: April 14, 2021, 11:53:26 PM »

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Every time I look at that draft, I really think man that sure is the What If draft of What If drafts

Bias, Washburn, Tarpley, and Bedford all had major drug problems.

Daugherty retired at 28 because of chronic back issues.

Sabonis didn't come to the league until he was a shell of himself.

Petrovic (a 3rd rounder) obviously died tragically. 

The 3 best NBA careers were probably all 2nd round picks - Rodman, Price, Hornacek (they had the 3 highest WS).  Duckworth was also a 2nd round pick.  Those 4 all made at least 1 all star team and the only 1st rounder to do that was Daugherty. 

Just a super strange and frankly sad draft all the way around. 
2021 Historical Draft - 5th Pick - Raptors
PG - Tiny Archibald 73, Don Buse 77, Terrell Brandon 96
SG - Chet Walker 67, Michael Cooper 87, Raja Bell 06
SF - Predrag "Peja" Stojakovic 04, Kiki Vandeweghe 87, Robert Covington 18
PF - Karl Malone 97, Spencer Haywood 73, David West 08
C - Ben Wallace 04, George Mikan 50, Al Jefferson 08

Re: Is Len Bias really as good as Bill Simmons says he is?
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A stronger James Worthy?

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Re: Is Len Bias really as good as Bill Simmons says he is?
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