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https://nesn.com/2019/05/nba-rumors-heres-how-celtics-can-sign-al-horford-to-team-friendly-deal/

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While many are bracing for Kyrie Irving’s departure from the Celtics, Boston also has another important player that can hit free agency this offseason: Al Horford.

The big man has an opt-out clause in his contract, meaning he can elect free agency this summer in pursuit of a new deal. The 32-year-old is set to make $29 million next season, but in opting out of his contract he can sign a deal that would give him some more long-term security.

According to The Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett, extra years are exactly what Horford is looking for. Bulpett indicated that Horford would be willing to re-sign with the Celtics on a team-friendly number if they’re willing to give him some length on the deal.

“The Celts still have to find out what Al Horford wants to do,” Bulpett wrote. “The veteran can opt out of the approximately $29 million he has coming next year, and, according to a league source, Horford would like to stay. The source added that he’d take a more team-friendly number for next season if he can get two more years tacked on.

“As of now, however, the Celtics have yet to engage in any talks with Horford or his representation.”

Keeping Horford would be important for a Celtics team that could see its roster significantly change over the next few seasons.

Didn't see this posted anywhere, so figured I would post this. This would be big for the efforts to trade for AD, as Al trading in a higher final year of his salary for more long-term security at a lower annual number would definitely help facilitate the ease of an AD trade and Boston' overall cap situation.

I wonder what he would be willing to take? Maybe something like 4 years/$80M with the final year being a team option?
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3 to 4 years in the 18-20M range. Get it done!
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Re: Possible Horford free agency
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Great news for BOS...

Please bring this talented Big back.

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3 to 4 years in the 18-20M range. Get it done!

Wouldn't mind that.

3/60 deal.

However, we would need to upgrade at center to give Al more support in the front court.

Re: Possible Horford free agency
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2019, 06:18:23 PM »

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Horford ain't leaving. He's not the mercenary type, like Irving is. Horford, I believe, appreciates the Celtics investing so much money with him. Also, I believe, Horford has enjoyed his role and time in Boston. If we get a productive center next year, possibly Williams or a FA, Horford will enjoy this team even more.

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https://nesn.com/2019/05/nba-rumors-heres-how-celtics-can-sign-al-horford-to-team-friendly-deal/

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While many are bracing for Kyrie Irving’s departure from the Celtics, Boston also has another important player that can hit free agency this offseason: Al Horford.

The big man has an opt-out clause in his contract, meaning he can elect free agency this summer in pursuit of a new deal. The 32-year-old is set to make $29 million next season, but in opting out of his contract he can sign a deal that would give him some more long-term security.

According to The Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett, extra years are exactly what Horford is looking for. Bulpett indicated that Horford would be willing to re-sign with the Celtics on a team-friendly number if they’re willing to give him some length on the deal.

“The Celts still have to find out what Al Horford wants to do,” Bulpett wrote. “The veteran can opt out of the approximately $29 million he has coming next year, and, according to a league source, Horford would like to stay. The source added that he’d take a more team-friendly number for next season if he can get two more years tacked on.

“As of now, however, the Celtics have yet to engage in any talks with Horford or his representation.”

Keeping Horford would be important for a Celtics team that could see its roster significantly change over the next few seasons.

Didn't see this posted anywhere, so figured I would post this. This would be big for the efforts to trade for AD, as Al trading in a higher final year of his salary for more long-term security at a lower annual number would definitely help facilitate the ease of an AD trade and Boston' overall cap situation.

I wonder what he would be willing to take? Maybe something like 4 years/$80M with the final year being a team option?

This seems like great news. If get 9 million dollars of his deal next year, do we get any wiggle room for free agents if kyrie leaves too?

Re: Horford optiong out could be interesting - Some thoughts
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2019, 05:58:53 PM »

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I'm going to ramble a bit.

Rumors that Horford could opt out of his 30 mil and take 3 years making 20 mil per year.  I also saw something that said Horford could potentially take a 5 year deal starting at 17 mil.

Before you scoff at 5 years...  FWIW, Al Horford will be 33 years old next season.   Horford is often called Tim Duncan-lite because of his style of play.  If he ages similar to Duncan, the final year of his 5 year contract would put him at the same age Duncan was at (37) when he contributed to the Spurs 2014 championship (Duncan was great in that championship run).

For the sake or argument, let's just pencil in trading Marcus Smart (12.5 mil) + Jaylen Brown (6.5mil) + Tatum (7.8 mil) + picks (27 mil outgoing) for Anthony Davis (27 mil incoming).

That would leave you with:

- Horford - 17 mil
- Davis - 27 mil
- Hayward - 32.7 mil
- Baynes - 5.4 mil (if he opts in to his final year)
- Yabu - 3.1 mil
- Williams - 1.9 mi

For this exercise, we are letting Rozier, Morris, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.

That's a total of 87 mil on the books with a salary cap set at 109 mil.

My preference is absolutely to keep Kyrie Irving.  Obviously, using his bird rights to extend him pushes us over the salary cap.  But for fun, let's just say the fans successfully drive him out of town and Kyrie decides to leave.   

Technically, you could be looking at around 22 mil in cap space here to try to sign a replacement.  Probably not enough to get a guy like Kemba Walker, right?  But say you could find some teams to absorb the salaries of Yabu and Baynes (freeing up another 8.5 mil)... technically that could leave you with around 30 mil in cap space to find a star free agent to pair with Davis, Horford and Hayward.   

The other interesting path here is... the team could consider salary dumping Hayward on a team like the Cavs.  Cleveland was rumored to have some interest.  I'm not going to get into a debate about whether we'd need to include picks to salary dump Hayward, but Cleveland might be able to absorb some or all of his salary.  They have the non-guaranteed JR Smith deal they can trade.   Shedding some/all of Hayward's salary could technically put Boston in position to add a free agent star to pair with Davis/Horford if Kyrie leaves.  Meaning, you could make a pitch to someone like Kawhi to try and pair him with Davis.

One more semi-unrelated thing worth keeping in mind.  If ultimately Kyrie decides he's leaving, it will be in our best interest to work a sign-and-trade.  Say, for instance, he decides to go to the Knicks.  Even if the Knicks have the cap space, it's in our best interest to convince them to do a sign-and-trade.  New York doesn't have to give us any assets... we just need to get back a fat trade exception.    Say we end up with a 35 mil trade exception, we then don't have to worry about letting guys like Rozier and Morris walk.  If there's any picks left over after the Davis trade, we could try to trade the fat 35 mil trade exception + picks for a player like Mike Conley (on the books for 32.5 mil next season for the rebuilding Grizzlies). 


 

i'm unclear as to the Knicks and KI's incentive to do a s & t that would help their rival? Are we giving them picks?

Re: Horford optiong out could be interesting - Some thoughts
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2019, 06:26:10 PM »

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I'm going to ramble a bit.

Rumors that Horford could opt out of his 30 mil and take 3 years making 20 mil per year.  I also saw something that said Horford could potentially take a 5 year deal starting at 17 mil.

Before you scoff at 5 years...  FWIW, Al Horford will be 33 years old next season.   Horford is often called Tim Duncan-lite because of his style of play.  If he ages similar to Duncan, the final year of his 5 year contract would put him at the same age Duncan was at (37) when he contributed to the Spurs 2014 championship (Duncan was great in that championship run).

For the sake or argument, let's just pencil in trading Marcus Smart (12.5 mil) + Jaylen Brown (6.5mil) + Tatum (7.8 mil) + picks (27 mil outgoing) for Anthony Davis (27 mil incoming).

That would leave you with:

- Horford - 17 mil
- Davis - 27 mil
- Hayward - 32.7 mil
- Baynes - 5.4 mil (if he opts in to his final year)
- Yabu - 3.1 mil
- Williams - 1.9 mi

For this exercise, we are letting Rozier, Morris, Theis, Semi and Wanamaker walk.

That's a total of 87 mil on the books with a salary cap set at 109 mil.

My preference is absolutely to keep Kyrie Irving.  Obviously, using his bird rights to extend him pushes us over the salary cap.  But for fun, let's just say the fans successfully drive him out of town and Kyrie decides to leave.   

Technically, you could be looking at around 22 mil in cap space here to try to sign a replacement.  Probably not enough to get a guy like Kemba Walker, right?  But say you could find some teams to absorb the salaries of Yabu and Baynes (freeing up another 8.5 mil)... technically that could leave you with around 30 mil in cap space to find a star free agent to pair with Davis, Horford and Hayward.   

The other interesting path here is... the team could consider salary dumping Hayward on a team like the Cavs.  Cleveland was rumored to have some interest.  I'm not going to get into a debate about whether we'd need to include picks to salary dump Hayward, but Cleveland might be able to absorb some or all of his salary.  They have the non-guaranteed JR Smith deal they can trade.   Shedding some/all of Hayward's salary could technically put Boston in position to add a free agent star to pair with Davis/Horford if Kyrie leaves.  Meaning, you could make a pitch to someone like Kawhi to try and pair him with Davis.

One more semi-unrelated thing worth keeping in mind.  If ultimately Kyrie decides he's leaving, it will be in our best interest to work a sign-and-trade.  Say, for instance, he decides to go to the Knicks.  Even if the Knicks have the cap space, it's in our best interest to convince them to do a sign-and-trade.  New York doesn't have to give us any assets... we just need to get back a fat trade exception.    Say we end up with a 35 mil trade exception, we then don't have to worry about letting guys like Rozier and Morris walk.  If there's any picks left over after the Davis trade, we could try to trade the fat 35 mil trade exception + picks for a player like Mike Conley (on the books for 32.5 mil next season for the rebuilding Grizzlies). 



I don't understand why you think Davis would be interested in playing with an aging Conley/Horford, and Hayward who had a terrible year. I'm not giving up Smart & Brown + Tatum + picks for Davis alone.

Plus, I think your math might be slightly wrong. Are we including all the picks? Your proposed trade would add up to around $35.2.

Knicks wouldn't benefit from anything by giving us a S&T.

If that was the case, and Irving left, I would just say screw it, and go young from there.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 06:35:11 PM by Monkhouse »
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