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Has Brown earned his starting spot back, if so switch out who?

Yes, start him over Morris
23 (79.3%)
Yes, start him over Smart
4 (13.8%)
No
2 (6.9%)

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Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2019, 08:04:19 AM »

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Yes Brown has earned his starting role back.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2019, 08:06:09 AM »

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I can get behind Brown and Baynes into the starting lineup.

Then have Rozier/Smart/Hayward/Morris/Theis second unit.

I'll give Wanamaker some minutes instead of Rozier. I'm really done with Rozier.
Morris doesn't thrill me either, but with Ojeleye you probably don't have enough shooting around.
Wouldn't be against trying that though. You can always keep a starter (or two) on the court to lead the offense.


Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2019, 08:10:42 AM »

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I voted no, not because I don't think he has earned it, but more so because I think he is actually better off the bench and Smart is the better fit for the starting unit.  Morris is the one who shouldn't be starting, I'd rotate between Baynes and Hayward in that role depending on match-up.  And yes I know Hayward hasn't been great, but I do think the starting 5 could use his playmaking, while Morris' aggressiveness would be far more useful on the bench.  That is the starting unit I've been advocating for all season long and we really haven't seen it yet.

Why anyone continues to play anyone above Jaylen Brown is beyond me. He lead the team late last year and obviously we cant do it without him leading the team this year.
For me it is roster and lineup construction.  The starting unit needs Smart next to Irving.  They need his on ball defense and they don't need a more gifted scorer.  Brown also thrives when he can be more ball dominant, which doesn't happen in the starting unit.    It was obvious to me from the summer that the starting 5 should have been Irving, Tatum, Horford and then depending on match-up 2 of Hayward, Smart, and Baynes.  The pieces just fit better that way. 
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Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2019, 08:17:17 AM »

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I would move both Morris and Smart back to the second unit.

Start Irving, Brown, Baynes, Horford, and Tatum.

That starting line-up looks familiar for some reason...guess that's because it was successful for us all of last year.

I understand that we needed an adjustment after our slow start this year - we might not have had we gone with the starting line-up above - but I don't see why Morris is still starting.

Unfortunately, as much as I like Brown and think he deserves to start, I don't think the problem is really with Smart (who Brown should be replacing). As long as Brown keeps getting more and more minutes and continues to be featured, I am okay with how it is now. Things are going to blow up in the offseason and Brown will either be starting for us next season or the Pelicans.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2019, 08:28:02 AM »

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I voted no, not because I don't think he has earned it, but more so because I think he is actually better off the bench and Smart is the better fit for the starting unit.  Morris is the one who shouldn't be starting, I'd rotate between Baynes and Hayward in that role depending on match-up.  And yes I know Hayward hasn't been great, but I do think the starting 5 could use his playmaking, while Morris' aggressiveness would be far more useful on the bench.  That is the starting unit I've been advocating for all season long and we really haven't seen it yet.

Why anyone continues to play anyone above Jaylen Brown is beyond me. He lead the team late last year and obviously we cant do it without him leading the team this year.
For me it is roster and lineup construction.  The starting unit needs Smart next to Irving.  They need his on ball defense and they don't need a more gifted scorer.  Brown also thrives when he can be more ball dominant, which doesn't happen in the starting unit.    It was obvious to me from the summer that the starting 5 should have been Irving, Tatum, Horford and then depending on match-up 2 of Hayward, Smart, and Baynes.  The pieces just fit better that way.


Brown is the best two way player on the team. He can play beside Irving. Starting anyone ahead of Brown is borderline disrespectful at this point.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2019, 08:30:40 AM »

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I voted no, not because I don't think he has earned it, but more so because I think he is actually better off the bench and Smart is the better fit for the starting unit.  Morris is the one who shouldn't be starting, I'd rotate between Baynes and Hayward in that role depending on match-up.  And yes I know Hayward hasn't been great, but I do think the starting 5 could use his playmaking, while Morris' aggressiveness would be far more useful on the bench.  That is the starting unit I've been advocating for all season long and we really haven't seen it yet.

Why anyone continues to play anyone above Jaylen Brown is beyond me. He lead the team late last year and obviously we cant do it without him leading the team this year.
For me it is roster and lineup construction.  The starting unit needs Smart next to Irving.  They need his on ball defense and they don't need a more gifted scorer.  Brown also thrives when he can be more ball dominant, which doesn't happen in the starting unit.    It was obvious to me from the summer that the starting 5 should have been Irving, Tatum, Horford and then depending on match-up 2 of Hayward, Smart, and Baynes.  The pieces just fit better that way.


Brown is the best two way player on the team. He can play beside Irving. Starting anyone ahead of Brown is borderline disrespectful at this point.

I like smart and Hayward as the off bench 1-2

Brown should be starting at sg at this point, and Morris should be off the bench as well.

If team was healthy.

Irving/Brown/Tatum/Horford/Baynes
Smart/Hayward/Morris/Theis/Williams


Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2019, 09:00:15 AM »

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I can get behind Brown and Baynes into the starting lineup.

Then have Rozier/Smart/Hayward/Morris/Theis second unit.
I could get behind this.  substitute situationally as the game progresses.   Until Hayward becomes a more consistent threat on offense, he can facilitate for Rozier and Morris with Smart's help and stop Rozier from running the offense into the ground.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2019, 09:09:30 AM »

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I don't care if he starts but he should be playing over 30 minutes, and even when he is clearly playing harder than anyone else on the team like yesterday, he played only 28 minutes.

Tatum was a mess yesterday, and got out hustled at least 3 times in the last minute. Everyone assumes he's the chosen one, but with the team reeling, it's Brown that is doubling down on the defensive effort and Tatum that looks like he's disinterested out there. Maybe he shoot sit a game or two.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2019, 09:19:23 AM »

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Looks like Brad isn't convinced that the starting lineup is the issue.

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“If I thought who we start the game with would make a huge difference, or even give us the spark we need, we would try it, or even just try it for the hell of it,” Stevens said. “I usually don’t fly by the seat of my pants like that. I try to have a thoughtful process. But we’ll just keep plugging away and see what we do."

"If I was dead sold that a combination change would give us a jolt, we would have done it a long time ago,” Stevens said. “Our starts have been good. Our bench up until this little five-game stretch had really improved playing together and still have had moments. We all just have to play better. If the right thing to do is to tweak that, we’ll tweak it and we’ll try anything. But we need to fix our play no matter what part of the game it is and who’s on the court.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/03/boston-celtics-brad-stevens-uncertain-change-to-starting-lineup-would-help-we-all-just-have-to-play-better.html

translation - hayward's not ready to start and I already made that mistake once and it tanked our season....

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2019, 09:20:25 AM »

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Looks like Brad isn't convinced that the starting lineup is the issue.

Quote
“If I thought who we start the game with would make a huge difference, or even give us the spark we need, we would try it, or even just try it for the hell of it,” Stevens said. “I usually don’t fly by the seat of my pants like that. I try to have a thoughtful process. But we’ll just keep plugging away and see what we do."

"If I was dead sold that a combination change would give us a jolt, we would have done it a long time ago,” Stevens said. “Our starts have been good. Our bench up until this little five-game stretch had really improved playing together and still have had moments. We all just have to play better. If the right thing to do is to tweak that, we’ll tweak it and we’ll try anything. But we need to fix our play no matter what part of the game it is and who’s on the court.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2019/03/boston-celtics-brad-stevens-uncertain-change-to-starting-lineup-would-help-we-all-just-have-to-play-better.html

translation - hayward's not ready to start and I already made that mistake once and it tanked our season....

News Flash: Our season is tanking with this current line up.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2019, 09:24:21 AM »

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I voted no, not because I don't think he has earned it, but more so because I think he is actually better off the bench and Smart is the better fit for the starting unit.  Morris is the one who shouldn't be starting, I'd rotate between Baynes and Hayward in that role depending on match-up.  And yes I know Hayward hasn't been great, but I do think the starting 5 could use his playmaking, while Morris' aggressiveness would be far more useful on the bench.  That is the starting unit I've been advocating for all season long and we really haven't seen it yet.

Why anyone continues to play anyone above Jaylen Brown is beyond me. He lead the team late last year and obviously we cant do it without him leading the team this year.
For me it is roster and lineup construction.  The starting unit needs Smart next to Irving.  They need his on ball defense and they don't need a more gifted scorer.  Brown also thrives when he can be more ball dominant, which doesn't happen in the starting unit.    It was obvious to me from the summer that the starting 5 should have been Irving, Tatum, Horford and then depending on match-up 2 of Hayward, Smart, and Baynes.  The pieces just fit better that way.


Brown is the best two way player on the team. He can play beside Irving. Starting anyone ahead of Brown is borderline disrespectful at this point.
Brown can't guard opposing PG's.  Against a team like the Rockets he would be fine since they have 2 quality ball handlers and Irving can't be hidden defensively, but against most teams Smart needs to be out there to guard the opposing ball handler so Irving can hide.  If you force Brown to guard the Kemba Walker's of the world he loses his effectiveness. 
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Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2019, 09:33:19 AM »

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I'm not necessarily sure Brown had earned it back but Morris certainly has earned his way out of it, IMO.


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Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2019, 09:34:58 AM »

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Brown earned more minutes and more touches, I don't think it matters much if he starts or not.
The minutes can come from Morris unless he starts the game hot, or from Rozier.

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2019, 09:35:24 AM »

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I can get behind Brown and Baynes into the starting lineup.

Then have Rozier/Smart/Hayward/Morris/Theis second unit.

Bingo. TP

Re: Has Brown earned back his starting spot?
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2019, 09:44:25 AM »

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I can get behind Brown and Baynes into the starting lineup.

Then have Rozier/Smart/Hayward/Morris/Theis second unit.

Bingo. TP
Hey, what do we got to lose ?